Haven't you killed me enough for one day?

Mal ,'War Stories'


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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


erikaj - Mar 14, 2005 10:02:59 am PST #7086 of 10002
Always Anti-fascist!

Snarky. Yeah. From the ancient Greek meaning "butthead".(/Everything I Know I Learned From H:LOTS) With Hec in the public school believing. So of course Dad and Stepmonster? Pay a metric fuckload for church school despite having the spirituality of lint. God, have I carried that around for a long time, biting my tongue and all...thank you Natter for letting me say it finally. And he's still behind for his age(the kid, not my dad...well, him too, but they are not magicians.)


Nutty - Mar 14, 2005 10:06:44 am PST #7087 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

narcissistic and unhealthy

True American values.

I don't think I have ever been one-on-one parented, so I'm not the best judge; but I'm a big fan of leaving people alone at least some of the time. I know a number of people who cannot bear to get down with their own bad selves.


msbelle - Mar 14, 2005 10:11:29 am PST #7088 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I made a call that I have been putting off for a week and I got 3 of the 6 things I needed to talk to them about answered and moving forward. RAWK!!!

also? BIG soda at lunch. caffeine. WATCH OUT!


DavidS - Mar 14, 2005 10:15:31 am PST #7089 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Do you see homeschooling as inextricably intertwined with the one-on-one urge, or just something alongside it ruins the country?

The country's already ruint. Desperately needs a valve job.

Hmmm, inextricably intertwined? Causal? Commensurate? There are so many words. But as ever, Specificity of ita requires critical thinking. To which I say, I think the one-on-one urge fuels/drives a large number of homeschooling decisions. Is it the only cause? No. But in the balance of the decision I think it is highly overvalued in proportion to the value of social skills, varied interaction, community interaction and community building.

Totally. But that still doesn't preclude homeschooling when the alternatives suck or are unworkable.

Okay, back to the social contract value of public school. This is kind of a radical notion, that I had to get used to back on the divorce thread but...sometimes you gotta move. I know a lot of people think of their home as Base One and Immovable, especially if they're homeowners. But I think it's more important to be in a community that's going to be receptive and supportive of children and education. More important than the virtues solely of the educational quality. Of course, you can also invest time and energy into making your local school better. Parental influence makes a huge difference in school quality (around here anyway).

It's not just the ability to learn calculus or read critcially at an early age which will determine the child's welfare. It's the balance of that learning with a variety of social skills which will most benefit the child. There are plenty of people who excelled at school and fucked up at life. I think homeschooling is gambling too much on the virtue of the educational quality over the rest of the picture.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 14, 2005 10:18:50 am PST #7090 of 10002
What is even happening?

Parental influence makes a huge difference in school quality (around here anyway).
Here, too.


Steph L. - Mar 14, 2005 10:23:33 am PST #7091 of 10002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Okay, back to the social contract value of public school. This is kind of a radical notion, that I had to get used to back on the divorce thread but...sometimes you gotta move. I know a lot of people think of their home as Base One and Immovable, especially if they're homeowners. But I think it's more important to be in a community that's going to be receptive and supportive of children and education. More important than the virtues solely of the educational quality.

Sometimes that's untenable, for a myriad of reasons. Parent(s) can't get a job in the new location, the family currently lives somewhere where they're tied to extended family -- by choice, etc.

It's not just the ability to learn calculus or read critcially at an early age which will determine the child's welfare. It's the balance of that learning with a variety of social skills which will most benefit the child. There are plenty of people who excelled at school and fucked up at life. I think homeschooling is gambling too much on the virtue of the educational quality over the rest of the picture.

I'm not really arguing for or against homeschooling, or public schools, or private schools.

Actually, it just occurred that I don't really have a need to defend what I think. I'm good with my beliefs about education.


shrift - Mar 14, 2005 10:23:57 am PST #7092 of 10002
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

also? BIG soda at lunch. caffeine. WATCH OUT!

I triumphed over Canuckistan and obtained my caffeine, and have been sending apologetic e-mails like whoa. One more e-mail and an apologetic phone call to go, and I think the mess will no longer earn me a talk with the boss.

But first I must listen to Michael, you're the boy with all the leather hips / sticky hair, sticky hips, stubble on my sticky lips really, really loudly.


DavidS - Mar 14, 2005 10:25:10 am PST #7093 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Here, too.

I presume it's fairly common but only really know from my own experience. And while treading such volatile subject matter decided (for once) to keep my ex cloaca commentary localized.


§ ita § - Mar 14, 2005 10:27:41 am PST #7094 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I don't think homeschooling will harm the child any more than public schooling won't. Am I prepared to sacrifice my child's education to prop up the education of the country as a whole? I think many parents would not (my MP cousin in the UK got busted on just this). Is there a place for people without children in them to help fix the public schools?

As for the religious whackjobs -- if your agenda is (mostly) the one in charge, well, of course keep your kids in public education. But if they were being taught creationism, racism, sexism or homophobia, and you couldn't get the school to stop (or decided that's fine for those who're okay with the values, but not your kids), why not homeschool? I'm sure that's what it looks like to the "whackjobs."


msbelle - Mar 14, 2005 10:28:42 am PST #7095 of 10002
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

that does not sound workplace appropriate.

one thing about knowing your job is ending. No real need to apologize for mistakes.

my mantra when dealing with this one-coworkers is "Suck it Trebec" in my inside the head voice.