She didn't dig for it.
If his claim is true, and she deceptively collected it, he didn't give it to her. Those are the words I'm going by, and I don't see the grey area there.
Also, you can tell it's not gonna have a happy ending when the main guy's all bumpy.
Tara ,'First Date'
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Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.
§ ita § - Feb 25, 2005 10:28:39 am PST #1254 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Jesse - Feb 25, 2005 10:32:39 am PST #1255 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Are we assuming the condom, or was that in one of the reports?
Honestly, I don't remember, but isn't one of them saying there was only oral sex, not vaginal? To make a baby via oral sex, there's got to be a way to transport the semen into the right place. Subtly.
I'm thinking it's really irritating to be subjected to "And then Wayne Brady said!" sort of conversations in the vicinity.
Oh, lord. My one coworker and I spent MONTHS constantly yelling about how we had to choke a bitch.
tommyrot - Feb 25, 2005 10:33:33 am PST #1256 of 10002
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
To make a baby via oral sex, there's got to be a way to transport the semen into the right place. Subtly.
She could just run to the bathroom after he gifted her.
Nutty - Feb 25, 2005 10:34:07 am PST #1257 of 10002
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
She could just run to the bathroom after he gifted her.
This may explain why the relationship didn't last.
Jesse - Feb 25, 2005 10:35:43 am PST #1258 of 10002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
She could just run to the bathroom after he gifted her.
That's why I said subtly. I mean, I guess she could jump up without speaking, but come on! Even then, I don't see how you end up with a baby. But I guess anything's possible. Or someone's lying.
Topic!Cindy - Feb 25, 2005 10:38:57 am PST #1259 of 10002
What is even happening?
If his claim is true, and she deceptively collected it, he didn't give it to her. Those are the words I'm going by, and I don't see the grey area there.
I do, depending on how she came to be in possession of it. If it was deposited by him, with her, I can't see that she deceptively collected it, because he willing engaged in the act with her. Granted, if she did secretly impregnate herself with it, she used it more, and in ways that differed from what he expected, after he assumed she was done with it. Don't get me wrong. I think if she did this, it was reprehensible. I still don't see why the child should suffer. And I do think that his suit should go forth.
Ginger - Feb 25, 2005 10:40:19 am PST #1260 of 10002
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda
Yeah, I'd like to know more about the method. If there weren't condoms involved, I'm imagining, "Excuse me, but I have to go spit in a turkey baster."
DavidS - Feb 25, 2005 10:40:24 am PST #1261 of 10002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
If it was deposited by him, with her, I can't see that she deceptively collected it, because he willing engaged in the act with her.
He deposited it in her mouth. No ovaries in there. Just by engaging in oral sex, I don't think that implies the level of responsibility you think accrues with sexual intimacy.
§ ita § - Feb 25, 2005 10:40:39 am PST #1262 of 10002
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If it was deposited by him, with her, I can't see that she deceptively collected it, because he willing engaged in the act with her
Okay, but what I'm saying is that if she deceptively collected it, he didn't give it to her, and she's not the owner.
That's what I don't think is grey.
I don't have enough facts to think up scenarios that are kinda like his version, or kinda like hers. So I'm going with a) he was right and b) she was right.
DXMachina - Feb 25, 2005 10:40:59 am PST #1263 of 10002
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
If she did what he alleges, it was morally reprehensible, and maybe there even should be penalties exacted against her. Why should the child give up the right to parental support?
Why should the man be liable for the support of a child? If it is as reported, how is this situation any different from her going down to a sperm bank and making a withdrawal (except that she obtained her sample unethically)? Sperm donors are not liable for support. The woman takes full responsibility for raising the child with out any financial support from the donor in that case.