You'd have to use condoms without spermicide.

Whichever of these two is lying is pretty imaginitively bad, I'd have to say.

::takes notes, revises plan::

I think it's something that is supposed to happen to pro ball players and the like. But I think the assumption is that there was actual mutual groininess going on -- it's still hella shady, but at least it's a potentially procreative process.

Two of my co-workers are huge Chappelle fans, I just discovered. I'm thinking it's really irritating to be subjected to "And then Wayne Brady said!" sort of conversations in the vicinity.

Which just means we won't do it again. Damned fun to participate in. Oddly, one of them apologised to me when I said I knew him. Kinda weird.

It just seems highly weird to me that she'd go through this cloak-and-dagger stuff to conceive by the guy, and then angrily hit him with a child support lawsuit when she herself is a doctor and presumably not hurting for cash. I think it's more likely that he's lying about the circumstances of conception, although I suppose there's enough looniness out there to explain the opposite take on events.

This just makes me wonder that I've never heard of this kind of story -- I wouldn't have really thought it was even possible to collect any useful amount of semen out of a condom after the fact. But then, I guess the notable part is the part where she's looking for child support. Usually, if you're going to want help with the kid, you're going to want the guy to know he's involved with making it, wouldn't you?

He challenges that she deceptively collected it. That doesn't sound like giving, but I wasn't there.

She didn't dig for it.

I mean, data-miners and expose reporters do it already, so I know that pawing through the trash for stuff you might want is not illegal. And if you do something with the stuff you want, and there are consequences...?

I don't see how this analogy fits the situation.

I mean, what would a judge do about someone who conceived as a result of pawing through a man's trash for kleenex? It's perfectly legal to paw through a man's trash; she's not committing any crimes. But, I'd like to establish a precedent whereby male excreta may be considered a dead ball beyond a certain point.

E.g., right now, you have to get a court-order to extract semen from a man after his death, right? And not just any shmuck off the street can file for that court-order, either. I'd sort of like to find out how that all plays out while the guy is still alive.

It's ten o'clock. Do you know where your sperm are?

Sperm salvage. Same old attractive nuisance. New twist.

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She didn't dig for it.

If his claim is true, and she deceptively collected it, he didn't give it to her. Those are the words I'm going by, and I don't see the grey area there.

Are we assuming the condom, or was that in one of the reports?

Honestly, I don't remember, but isn't one of them saying there was only oral sex, not vaginal? To make a baby via oral sex, there's got to be a way to transport the semen into the right place. Subtly.

I'm thinking it's really irritating to be subjected to "And then Wayne Brady said!" sort of conversations in the vicinity.

Oh, lord. My one coworker and I spent MONTHS constantly yelling about how we had to choke a bitch.

To make a baby via oral sex, there's got to be a way to transport the semen into the right place. Subtly.

She could just run to the bathroom after he gifted her.