Well, we may not have parted on the best of terms. I realize certain words were exchanged. Also, certain... bullets. But that's air through the engine. It's past. We're business people.

Mal ,'Serenity'


The Great Write Way, Chapter Two: Twice upon a time...  

A place for Buffistas to discuss, beta and otherwise deal and dish on their non-fan fiction projects.


Susan W. - Mar 17, 2005 1:43:04 pm PST #675 of 10001
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Now I'm starting to understand why entering these writing contests can turn into a distraction. Because now I'm obsessing over contradictory comments--not that anyone here is contradicting each other, but some of you are contradicting things I heard from beta readers--and spending far too much time editing something I've already edited half a dozen times, rather than just giving it a quick proof, printing it out in the contest's chosen format, sticking it in the mail, and getting back to work on actually finishing the damn book.


Susan W. - Mar 17, 2005 1:45:46 pm PST #676 of 10001
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(Which is not to say I'm not grateful for the help/suggestions, because I am. Just that I'm beating myself a bit with a clue-by-four for overdoing it, especially when I know darn well it's not my raw writing ability that's kept me from finaling in the past. I miss on storytelling elements, not on the way I string words together.)


Susan W. - Mar 17, 2005 2:08:34 pm PST #677 of 10001
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(OK, it *is* clear that y'all offer great feedback and wonderful advice, right, and I'm the one with the problem for getting my writing priorities all out of order? Because I'm feeling like an ass, especially given that I've taken several of your suggestions. It's just that I realized I was getting way too obsessed over the whole thing.)


deborah grabien - Mar 17, 2005 2:09:03 pm PST #678 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

On as hot a summer’s day as she could remember since coming to the Peninsula, Anna Arrington rode her little donkey alongside the baggage wagons, breathing the dust of thousands of tramping hooves and marching feet, and dreamed of Scotland. (edit: or, ...marching feet, and dreaming of Scotland.)

In point of fact, even the word "summer" probably isn't needed; I'd let the following pages set the full scene, and in fact, the "as hot a day" shows us, rather than telling us. But again, that's for the bigger picture, not as an excerpt.)

As to the scream and the Spanish exclamation, I'm not sure why either the vocalisation or the exclamation is needed there. She's startled back to the realities of her situation by a scream, coming very closeby. Does the Aiee or the exclamation lead to something? I mean, does she find out who this woman is, become friends with her? If we never actually see the screamer after this, I'd keep it simple.

edit some more: your two posts popped in as I was posting this one. If there's a specific element that you think is necessary for contest submission, ignore the above. I don't know how these contests work, so I was addressing it as fiction, rather than as a excerpt.


Ginger - Mar 17, 2005 2:17:19 pm PST #679 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

Why not just:

A nearby woman’s scream startled Anna back to Spain and the marching army.

I say that as a person who never thinks of things in yards.


Susan W. - Mar 17, 2005 2:18:41 pm PST #680 of 10001
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FWIW, the scream most definitely leads to something, and the screamer is a fairly major secondary character.


erikaj - Mar 17, 2005 2:18:46 pm PST #681 of 10001
I'm a fucking amazing catch!--Fiona Gallagher, Shameless(US)

I think Ginger's suggestion is FG.


Susan W. - Mar 17, 2005 2:20:30 pm PST #682 of 10001
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Heh. My marching band roots are showing. I think in yards all the time.


deborah grabien - Mar 17, 2005 2:26:05 pm PST #683 of 10001
It really doesn't matter. It's just an opinion. Don't worry about it. Not worth the hassle.

I also think in distances, for sound; musician's roots, likely.

If the screamer's important, that's a whole nother ball of wax.

But I like Ginger's suggestion for somehow shortening and simplifying it. If I understand this contest thing properly, you're only sending them a bit, right? So it seems sensible to keep Anna front and centre.


Susan W. - Mar 17, 2005 2:32:14 pm PST #684 of 10001
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Well, a longish bit. First chapter, up to 30 pages. It was 26 before I started this editing pass, and since this is mostly just a tweak, it'll stay in that ballpark.

And the current version of that sentence is now very close to Ginger's suggestion. But as for keeping Anna front and center, she is, of course, but the screamer is something of a driving factor in this chapter, so we get to know her pretty well, too.