say they got a $200,000 mortgage

A $200K 2nd mortgage on a house in Ashland, OR would have to be on a frakkin' mansion. The average price for a house in Ashland is around $250K.

And this is very high for the state of Oregon. If they live outside the city limits the average price plummets.

If there were ever to be any refunds (I really don't think people will end up seeing any money--some smart attorney is going to tell these women to get over their tiff and declare bankruptcy), how do you think they should be distributed? Fans first? Flan fans first? What about BB and NN ticket holders? People who didn't go to California, once they realized the con wouldn't come off? What do you think?

If this is a corporation, then what will probably happen (I'm not a bankruptcy atty), is that the court will appoint a trustee whose job is to maximize the recovery of assets for the debtors. There will need to be a determination of the assets and liabilities.

In terms of payment, as I recall, the trustee and anyone he/she hires (accountants, attys, etc.) will be paid first. Then secured creditors -- those who have lent money to the business secured by an asset. Then unsecured creditors such as prospective attendees.

I've posted a bit from a bankruptcy lawyer here: [link]

It looks like people are having more luck getting credit card refunds etc if they also report it to the police first. VISA don't do 'owt after 120 days, apparently, but if it's a seen as a police matter I suppose it pushes it more with the card company.

There is a whiteboard at work being used as a room divider. On one side, they keep all sorts of tech notes about installations, etc. On the other side, it's generally blank in the walkway.

Last week someone drew a quick little stick figure spaceship Enterprise. That was followed by a stick figure Defiant class, then a cube we assume is a Borg cube.

Then I drew a fairly decent Serenity up in the corner last Friday.

On Monday, under it someone had scrawled "You can't take the sky from me!". Above it someone else had scrawled "I am a leaf on the wind."

Also? My supervisor just loaned DVD #1 of the series to a coworker. I'll have to tell him about the toaster plan.

On Monday, under it someone had scrawled "You can't take the sky from me!". Above it someone else had scrawled "I am a leaf on the wind."

That's cool.

Awww.

That is very cool.

Stealth Firefly fans.

My DH got me the Hickmans' adventure for the Serenity RPG for Solstice. I've been happily reading in the 'verse all night. Guess I'm gonna hafta run a game now.

I had the Flanvention forum open in another tab and I just clicked past it and noticed it's now asking me to log in.

Uh, whatever.

What I do want to know is what happened with it...are they refunding? Bankrupt (the main BE site doesn't look that way)? Being sued?