Occasionally I'm callous and strange.

Willow ,'The Killer In Me'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Narrator - Dec 16, 2006 11:30:18 am PST #9318 of 10001
The evil is this way?

If there were ever to be any refunds (I really don't think people will end up seeing any money--some smart attorney is going to tell these women to get over their tiff and declare bankruptcy), how do you think they should be distributed? Fans first? Flan fans first? What about BB and NN ticket holders? People who didn't go to California, once they realized the con wouldn't come off? What do you think?

If this is a corporation, then what will probably happen (I'm not a bankruptcy atty), is that the court will appoint a trustee whose job is to maximize the recovery of assets for the debtors. There will need to be a determination of the assets and liabilities.

In terms of payment, as I recall, the trustee and anyone he/she hires (accountants, attys, etc.) will be paid first. Then secured creditors -- those who have lent money to the business secured by an asset. Then unsecured creditors such as prospective attendees.


Kevin - Dec 17, 2006 8:07:27 am PST #9319 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

I've posted a bit from a bankruptcy lawyer here: [link]

It looks like people are having more luck getting credit card refunds etc if they also report it to the police first. VISA don't do 'owt after 120 days, apparently, but if it's a seen as a police matter I suppose it pushes it more with the card company.


DCJensen - Dec 19, 2006 1:08:52 pm PST #9320 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

There is a whiteboard at work being used as a room divider. On one side, they keep all sorts of tech notes about installations, etc. On the other side, it's generally blank in the walkway.

Last week someone drew a quick little stick figure spaceship Enterprise. That was followed by a stick figure Defiant class, then a cube we assume is a Borg cube.

Then I drew a fairly decent Serenity up in the corner last Friday.

On Monday, under it someone had scrawled "You can't take the sky from me!". Above it someone else had scrawled "I am a leaf on the wind."

Also? My supervisor just loaned DVD #1 of the series to a coworker. I'll have to tell him about the toaster plan.


DavidS - Dec 19, 2006 1:14:04 pm PST #9321 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

On Monday, under it someone had scrawled "You can't take the sky from me!". Above it someone else had scrawled "I am a leaf on the wind."

That's cool.


libkitty - Dec 19, 2006 2:07:40 pm PST #9322 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Awww.


sumi - Dec 19, 2006 4:31:53 pm PST #9323 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

That is very cool.


Zenkitty - Dec 20, 2006 12:35:55 pm PST #9324 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Stealth Firefly fans.


Volans - Dec 22, 2006 11:30:48 am PST #9325 of 10001
move out and draw fire

My DH got me the Hickmans' adventure for the Serenity RPG for Solstice. I've been happily reading in the 'verse all night. Guess I'm gonna hafta run a game now.


§ ita § - Dec 22, 2006 6:55:31 pm PST #9326 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I had the Flanvention forum open in another tab and I just clicked past it and noticed it's now asking me to log in.

Uh, whatever.

What I do want to know is what happened with it...are they refunding? Bankrupt (the main BE site doesn't look that way)? Being sued?


Kevin - Dec 23, 2006 8:51:41 am PST #9327 of 10001
Never fall in love with somebody you actually love.

ita, BE have deleted their forum, the Flanvention information and Flanvention ticket purchase history (if you're a customer and log in).

There's a police investigation going on in Oregon which has made contact with about a hundred customers, an investigation going on in another state (but they've asked not to be named), and a state level department of justice probe going on in Oregon. (Oregon is where the business address is registered).

No word from the owners for about a week. Suspect they are shittin' it.