Buckle up, kids! Daddy's puttin' the hammer down.

Spike ,'Touched'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Typo Boy - Jun 03, 2006 5:58:25 pm PDT #8571 of 10001
Calli: My people have a saying. A man who trusts can never be betrayed, only mistaken.Avon: Life expectancy among your people must be extremely short.

Gus there are all sorts of ways to do that. You can have pay per download on your own website. You can do it on ipod or Amazon.

What would be needed to make that work are two other things. Some sort of trusted filter to help people select what to download. Take books. VW actually created a buffisita cook book via Cafe Press. If you value VW's time at anything it was probably a non-profit enterprise, but then again profit was not the point. But if you want it (Or some other author-to-audience technique ) to become default method you have offer the following

1)Some way the reader (or listener or viewer) can select out of the hundreds of thousand produced what to consider. Note I'm not even saying some way for the downloader to choose - just how the downloader narrows the universive of choices down to the the poin where she or he can choose from among them.

2)Editing - maybe one writer in 200 can edit their own writing completely. The rest of us need editors - who also will need to be paid. And editor does not equal beta reader.

3) Don't forget typography. After you have the exact final wording chosen, there is still font choice page layout and all that good stuff. Not to mention graphics, cover art....

And this is just for books! If you go to music you can multiply this a hell of lot. And by the time you get completely collaberative works such as movies and TV seiries....

Think outside the box. But there is a hell of a lot of stuff in that box creative workers need if they are going to ge paid for their labor. So outside the box you are going to need some other container. Or maybe a rack, or a stand or a shelf - something so that when the box is taken away the intellectual worker is not left suddenly have to learn to juggle.

But it is true that our system is broken. One hint of this: We have longer and more powerful copyrights, larger corporations own publishers, studios and such. And artists for the most part are paid less. In real dollars, writers earn less per hour of work than they did in 1976. Before you blame it on lack of literacy so do musicians. Were a whole lot of computer gamers around in 1976 - but I would save game software developers don't earn more than a decade ago. Neither do other types of software developers.

OK not an argument: but at least a hint that something is wrong besides eating that damn pomegranite. (Apple is a mistranslation no?)


Consuela - Jun 03, 2006 9:34:01 pm PDT #8572 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

And editor does not equal beta reader.

t coughs

That totally depends on who you get to beta it.

But carry on. I don't have a dog in this fight.


Allyson - Jun 03, 2006 9:49:27 pm PDT #8573 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

That totally depends on who you get to beta it.

HA! I got an army of 'em.


Gus - Jun 03, 2006 10:08:24 pm PDT #8574 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Are we talking about feedback for the authorial segment? Your buddies will lurves it, or remain silent. A professional beta-er will rip the skin off you in the hope you will grow a better complexion.


Tamara - Jun 03, 2006 10:16:07 pm PDT #8575 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

A professional beta-er will rip the skin off you in the hope you will grow a better complexion

Shouldn't that middleman be paid?


Gus - Jun 03, 2006 10:26:43 pm PDT #8576 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Shouldn't that middleman be paid?

Absolutely. That middleman. Middlemen after this do not contribute to the quality of the piece.


Tamara - Jun 03, 2006 10:51:31 pm PDT #8577 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

Gus, I wish you the best, but I am going to stop this discussion now because I don't feel like I am getting my point across to you.


Gus - Jun 03, 2006 11:19:33 pm PDT #8578 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Ah, crap. Don't go away mad, Tamara. Maybe you could simple-up your point for this simpleton.


evil jimi - Jun 04, 2006 3:36:05 am PDT #8579 of 10001
Lurching from one disaster to the next.

And also chose to shoot Serenity here, which is rare these days.

In hindsight, maybe not such a good idea.


thegrommit - Jun 04, 2006 5:42:05 am PDT #8580 of 10001
Um.

Maybe this discussion is too serious-like for buffistas.
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Sure, dogpile on Gus.

Huh. Ever consider that your worldview may be too simplistic?

I happen to agree there is a place for direct contact between creators and consumers, but this model doesn't scale well when you're talking about millions of consumers. At some point, various "middle-men" become a necessity, if only to perform those tasks the creator isn't good at.