Dreg: Glory, Your Most Fresh-And-Cleanness. It's only a matter of time-- Glory: Ugh, everything always takes time! What about my time? Does anyone appreciate I'm on a schedule here?! Tick tock, Dreg! Tick freakin' tock!

'Sleeper'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


P.M. Marc - Oct 03, 2005 5:11:29 pm PDT #5793 of 10001
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

It could be a small contingency that seems louder and bigger to me because I'm so close to the fire, and check Whedonesque daily.

It probably is, but the noise pollution from the small contingency makes me grit my teeth something fierce.

It's become like religion that people take soooo seriously that it feels like there's no joy in it.

And there's this. Again, still probably a small contingency of people acting that way, but still... loud.

I think it's a triumph that we even got DVDs. That a movie got made, got decent reviews, and met expectations at the box office seems like bonus.


Steph L. - Oct 03, 2005 5:13:12 pm PDT #5794 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

and the thing I kept returning to in my head is that the “Browncoats” are seen, by many other genre fans, as overzealous.

So fans of Firefly are keeping Trekkies from seeing "Serenity"? Anime fans are so put off by the Browncoats that they're staying home and watching Cowboy Bebop?

If a movie -- any movie, but let's go with "Serenity" -- were relying solely on genre fans turning out to see it in order to make big box office, I'd say that movie is screwed from the start.

That quote at the beginning of my post implies that "Serenity" will fail if other genre fans stay away. And I'm thinking the CHUD guy who wrote that is missing the part where fandom makes up a teeeeeeeeny tiny part of the moviegoing public.

Browncoats are starting to scare me. The handwringing over the box office is making me nuts. A. Movie. Got. Made. And. Released. From this canceled television show. But that's not enough. There must be sequels and legos and collectible cups at burger king, or we've all failed Joss.

Who's going to see the sequels? I've read so. damn. many. posts about how Joss BETRAYED the fans by killing Wash -- why would they go see a sequel? I don't get it.


§ ita § - Oct 03, 2005 5:15:12 pm PDT #5795 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I've read so. damn. many. posts about how Joss BETRAYED the fans by killing Wash -- why would they go see a sequel?

Is that a prevailing Browncoat opinion? I live in a cave, it seems, because the Browncoat hysteria, while perfectly predictable, seems to have passed me by. But I was guessing that they were loving on the movie and hard. Just because.


Steph L. - Oct 03, 2005 5:17:26 pm PDT #5796 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

Is that a prevailing Browncoat opinion?

To be fair, I have no idea what makes someone qualify as a Browncoat. I just know that in LJ, for instance, my Friends' Friends list is full of people who are feeling betrayed by Joss, and they sound cranky.


sarameg - Oct 03, 2005 5:17:37 pm PDT #5797 of 10001

The only thing that has made me not want to see a film is pervasive, can't escape, haunts my dreams marketing. But both those films were wildly popular. But I boycotted them until I was hostage to a rainy day and 2 adhd kids off meds and BORED.

But I'm not a marketer's dream client.

I think if you lose the ability to mock your own obsessions, it becomes not fun. And scares people. But those people should just ignore the scary people. Unless they are breaking into your house, of course.

But then, I'm contrary.


Allyson - Oct 03, 2005 5:18:27 pm PDT #5798 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Is that a prevailing Browncoat opinion?

Theese people are to Serenity what Kittens are to Buffy.


§ ita § - Oct 03, 2005 5:19:20 pm PDT #5799 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Is that recent, Steph? I figure that a true Browncoat saw the movie months ago, not days.

Theese people are to Serenity what Kittens are to Buffy.

Yeah, but are these people the majority of Browncoats?


Allyson - Oct 03, 2005 5:21:03 pm PDT #5800 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

gosh no.


Kalshane - Oct 03, 2005 5:21:33 pm PDT #5801 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I think part of the reason for all the noise is Firefly got cancelled once and they don't want it to happen again (cancelled in this case=no trilogy). I would love for there to be two more movies. However, some people are going a bit overboard.

That said, the people bitching about "I'm so sick of hearing people on f-list talk about Firefly/Serenity" is ridiculous. No one forced them add those people to their list, no one forces them to read their posts, and no one is forcing them to keep them on their f-list. If it really bothers them that much, they should just de-friend them.

And don't get me started at the pot and kettle-ness of AICN griping about Browncoats being obnoxious on their forums.


bon bon - Oct 03, 2005 5:22:05 pm PDT #5802 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

Theese people are to Serenity what Kittens are to Buffy.

Which is why I'm amazed they've come under special scrutiny. But I guess the national platform of the movie + genre bitterness leads to = tone-deaf proselytizing.