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Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.

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Sean K - Oct 03, 2005 7:53:25 am PDT #5705 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

The Fifth Element had a plot!?

Yeah, Bad Things were happening, and the Good Guys needed to stop it.

Kalshane - Oct 03, 2005 7:55:04 am PDT #5706 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Are they really trying to argue that River = Milla Jovavich?

That would be my guess.

Jesse - Oct 03, 2005 7:55:43 am PDT #5707 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

There was some schtick at the end about Love that made me think they both had the same moral -- Love Will Save The Day.

However, the advertising didn't appeal to anyone who wasn't already a Firefly fan, from rushed, context-free trailers and TV spots to an ugly, non-descript poster

Says who?

Frankenbuddha - Oct 03, 2005 7:56:46 am PDT #5708 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

Are they really trying to argue that River = Milla Jovavich?

Well, they both employed dance-fu. And isn't there a big flobotanum ray or some such that goes out at the end of TFE?

Tonally I'd say they've got nothing in common, but basic plot structure isn't that far off. Although now I'm imagining either Simon or Jayne in Chris Tucker's wardrobe and snerking massively.

Dana - Oct 03, 2005 7:58:03 am PDT #5709 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

but basic plot structure isn't that far off.

Um.

Yeah, I'm not seeing it. And I kind of like The Fifth Element.

Kalshane - Oct 03, 2005 7:59:20 am PDT #5710 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

I like The Fifth Element too. It's not profound or anything, but it's a lot of fun.

bon bon - Oct 03, 2005 7:59:34 am PDT #5711 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

a tagline—"The Future is Worth Fighting For"—that was vague and recalled The X-Files movie's "Fight the Future."

I forgot about the tagline! Yeah, I thought that tag was not evocative, if not completely stupid.

§ ita § - Oct 03, 2005 8:01:45 am PDT #5712 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I thought that tag was not evocative, if not completely stupid.

At the very least, it doesn't tie itself to the movie.

Unlike "Can't stop the signal" -- it mightn't make sense unless you're a fan or have seen the movie, but at least it's more different.

bon bon - Oct 03, 2005 8:03:44 am PDT #5713 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.

It makes sense in the context of the ending, since the crew suddenly turns out to be interested in saving the universe. But the advertising, as I recall, pointed up the fact that they were space pirates. Or at least, I wish it had said that. Anyway, not so much Star Wars-esque freedom fighters as mercenaries.

Gris - Oct 03, 2005 8:04:01 am PDT #5714 of 10001
Hey. New board.

Similar plot elements between Serenity and Fifth Element:

  • Gruff guy with a heart of gold who understands the world and will gladly fight against the law to protect his charge.

  • Hot girl who kicks lots of ass and has crazy powers.

  • Spaceships

  • Explosions

  • Bit in the trailer where techno-ish music provides a choreographed background to major ass-kicking of many opponents by super-cool hot girl

  • Grittyish future - not Star Trek polished, if not Bladerunner-dark either.

  • Powerful, no-morals nemesis guy.

  • There is sex at the end

  • Simple, basic morals: The Truth is Important vs. Love Conquers All

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