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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Sparky1 - Oct 03, 2005 6:55:48 am PDT #5695 of 10001
Librarian Warlord

Today's Unshelved comic is about Serenity.


Zenkitty - Oct 03, 2005 6:57:30 am PDT #5696 of 10001
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Yeah, but River hasn't been shown to be able to move things telekinetically. I could buy the motion detector thing, though. I love that dramatic moment, so I'm willing to wave logic for it, but it would be nice to have some logic, even so.


Kalshane - Oct 03, 2005 6:58:52 am PDT #5697 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why? Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.

Maybe it was automatically triggered by the lift coming back down. I could see Mr. Universe having his doors timed to his walking speed so they could open and close in a Get Smart sort of fashion without him having to hit the buttons. So "It takes me 10 seconds from the lift reaching the floor for me to reach these doors and I'll have them open on that count."

Or something.

Maybe River decaptitated the last Reaver and his head flew into the button.


d - Oct 03, 2005 7:34:29 am PDT #5698 of 10001
It's nice to see some brave pretenders trying to make it interesting.

Ooh, I like that idea Kalshane.


Sean K - Oct 03, 2005 7:37:27 am PDT #5699 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Maybe it was on a motion detector?

This makes perfect sense. After all, Star Trek doors have been able to detect dramatic pauses and poses for years.

I also like Kalshane's Get Smart theory.


Miracleman - Oct 03, 2005 7:40:36 am PDT #5700 of 10001
No, I don't think I will - me, quoting Captain Steve Rogers, to all of 2020

I tend to think the blast doors were the Mark IIs that were supposed to go in the second Death Star but didn't get installed because, well...the Death Star blew up and stuff. So they were sitting around in surplus.

So all River had to say was "Open the blast doors! Open the blast doors!" And poof, open. So long as she managed to sound like a paniced stormtrooper.


Sean K - Oct 03, 2005 7:45:04 am PDT #5701 of 10001
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Well, it's one of those, or River bounced a Reaver head off the door-open button, and Kaylee's nowhere near as good an electrician as she is a mechanic.


§ ita § - Oct 03, 2005 7:49:41 am PDT #5702 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Box Office Mojo article:

The box office reception for Serenity, riding a heap of hype and a devoted fan following, was decidedly calm. Flightplan boarded the top spot by default with an estimated $15 million, leading overall business to be down 26 percent compared to the analogous frame in 2004 when Shark Tale and Ladder 49 opened.

Aiming for big screen success from humble television origins, Serenity corralled a tame estimated $10.1 million from 2,188 theaters, failing to buck modest industry expectations. Neither hit nor flop, initial attendance for writer-director Joss Whedon's $39 million space western was in the range of Red Planet and Titan A.E. and less than half that of The Fifth Element, which shared plot similarities. According to distributor Universal Pictures' exit polling, 52 percent of the audience was over 30 years old and 61 percent was male, while the top three reasons moviegoers cited for seeing the picture were the "story," the "action" and the "humor."

Universal's head of distribution, Nikki Rocco, was hopeful that positive word-of-mouth will broaden Serenity's audience beyond fans of Firefly, the 2002 series on which the movie is based. The picture scored an "A" grade from CinemaScore,which polls opening night moviegoers. Universal's research suggested 88 percent of the audience rated the picture "excellent" or "very good," which is solid but not exceptional.

"We are satisfied," Rocco said. "The opening is where we thought it would be. The fan base turned out. We're hoping more will turn out in the future. I think over $10 million is a lot of business for a niche appeal picture, and I think the ancillary [DVD, etc.] will be spectacular. I'd say over 40 percent [of moviegoers] were the fans. And there was probably another 30 percent that had not watched the show but had heard of it." Rocco highlighted San Francisco and Seattle among the cities that had strong turn outs, although she would not speculate on whether Serenity was successful enough to merit a sequel.

Serenity's existence is an achievement in its own right, regardless of the box office. Back in 2002, Firefly was one of the beleaguered Fox network's many casualties, ranking 66th in the Nielsen ratings for its first episode and quickly descending to around 100th place for the rest of its run. Out of 14 produced episodes, Fox aired 11, unceremoniously and out-of-order. The few people who saw the show took a shine to it, and creator Joss Whedon didn't give up.

Firefly's vocal and passionate support led to the movie deal with Universal and a DVD release of the show that reportedly sold half a million copies. "We actually like the director," said Rocco. "We were hoping to tap in to his fan base." The only other example of a movie springing from the ashes of a failed television series was the 1988 comedy hit, The Naked Gun, based on Police Squad!. Firefly's path has been an inversion of Whedon's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which began as a failed movie and became a successful TV series.

Universal isn't exactly the studio of note when it comes to space operas and similar genre pictures, with disappointments ranging from Buck Rogers in the 25th Century to The Chronicles of Riddick. Their "Can't Stop the Signal" promotional campaign to galvanize the show's fans with special screenings and more was a smart move, as was the re-airing of Firefly on Universal's corporate sibling, the Sci-Fi Channel. However, the advertising didn't appeal to anyone who wasn't already a Firefly fan, from rushed, context-free trailers and TV spots to an ugly, non-descript poster to a tagline—"The Future is Worth Fighting For"—that was vague and recalled The X-Files movie's "Fight the Future."

88% rating a movie very good or excellent is merely solid? I think it's less than exceptional for this movie because of Browncoats and lesser fans, but in general I'd think it better than solid.


Dana - Oct 03, 2005 7:51:20 am PDT #5703 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

and less than half that of The Fifth Element, which shared plot similarities.

Um, what? What plot similarities? Like spaceships?

Are they really trying to argue that River = Milla Jovavich?


Tom Scola - Oct 03, 2005 7:52:09 am PDT #5704 of 10001
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

The Fifth Element had a plot!?