I have no idea how that relates to this discussion of Mal, however.
But didn't you draw conclusions about the status of his father from his character?
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§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 3:06:41 pm PST #526 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Beverly - Feb 03, 2005 3:07:56 pm PST #527 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.
ita, I think dad-raised sons often--but by no means always, or even most of the time--have all these expectations to live up to. Mom-raised sons tend to have more choices open to them. Men have different expectations for their sons, and that may be a narrower path.
Or, being a mom and not a dad, I could be completely full of shit. Dads?
Scrappy - Feb 03, 2005 3:11:23 pm PST #528 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
Wait, are we talking about what dads tend to add to their half of the parenting equation, or what single dads do?
DavidS - Feb 03, 2005 3:14:39 pm PST #529 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
But didn't you draw conclusions about the status of his father from his character?
Yeah, but that didn't have anything do with the psychological studies I cited.
§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 3:16:51 pm PST #530 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Yeah, but that didn't have anything do with the psychological studies I cited.
What I'm asking about is what you guys based your read on his fathering sitch from his character, not what untapped studies said.
DavidS - Feb 03, 2005 3:20:46 pm PST #531 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
What I'm asking about is what you guys based your read on his fathering sitch from his character, not what untapped studies said.
It doesn't seem worth elaborating on since (a) I was wrong, and (b) I don't know how to discuss it without looking over my shoulder for Anya to come swooping in and putting her gender studies-fu on me. Besides, I think the canonical backstory on Mal provides for plenty of male role models which would account for what I was seeing. He had a lot of adult men in his life, but Mom was #1.
§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 3:24:31 pm PST #532 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Well, you're probably safe from Anya. Me, I don't know what a) invested in male culture really means b) how Mal demonstrated that and in a far distant third position c) how closely tied that is to non-fictitious parenting.
So that's what I was wondering about.
Gus - Feb 03, 2005 3:25:11 pm PST #533 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.
OK. I don't know anything about psychological studies. I raised a boy, but it was with the assistance of a strong woman.
OK. "Assistance" is too strong. She raised him. I occasionally played b-ball with him,giving him the ego-boost of trouncing my academic tushy.
aurelia - Feb 03, 2005 4:10:06 pm PST #534 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
I'm gonna mix Beverly and ita's speculation on Zoe and say that perhaps her family was the security end of a formal household. Training in being both deadly and polite.
DebetEsse - Feb 03, 2005 4:13:22 pm PST #535 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.
I don't think so, aurelia. She doesn't strike me as someone raised to service the "those people right there" (which is different from a general "service" ethos)