I'm not on the ship. I'm in the ship. I am the ship.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


DebetEsse - Feb 03, 2005 4:13:22 pm PST #535 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I don't think so, aurelia. She doesn't strike me as someone raised to service the "those people right there" (which is different from a general "service" ethos)


aurelia - Feb 03, 2005 4:37:19 pm PST #536 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm not really thinking of it as "service" so much as a culture in which security is both necessary and highly regarded.


alienprayer - Feb 03, 2005 5:33:54 pm PST #537 of 10001
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -Bierce

How about an artificial station or colony in a hostile environment for Zoe? A dangerous enviroment could leave the culture very conscious of both rank and ability.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 5:36:34 pm PST #538 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She could have been raised in something like a gender-equitable Barrayar.


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 6:05:18 pm PST #539 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

gender-equitable Barrayar ...

Zoe is Elena Bothari! I knew it!


Liese S. - Feb 03, 2005 6:06:54 pm PST #540 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I could definitely see Zoe in a military family. But she also does have quite a bearing of authority, although not necessarily the need to be top dog. Government otherwise, maybe?


Allyson - Feb 03, 2005 6:17:58 pm PST #541 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I am home. I am having soup and bread for supper, and screw the diet, I WILL HAVE THE VANILLA ICE CREAM AND HOT BUTTERSCOTCH.


Allyson - Feb 03, 2005 6:20:24 pm PST #542 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Oh. And this is TOTALLY the wrong thread.


tommyrot - Feb 03, 2005 6:23:36 pm PST #543 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Oh. And this is TOTALLY the wrong thread.

Not entirely. Those ice-moon thingies were made of ice cream and butterscotch.


sumi - Feb 03, 2005 6:25:24 pm PST #544 of 10001
Art Crawl!!!

Allyson -- sounds like a perfectly balanced meal to me. A balance between hot and cold.