Oh! I know this one! 'Slaying entails certain sacrifices, blah blah blahbity blah, I'm so stuffy, gimme a scone.'

Buffy ,'Help'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 3:24:31 pm PST #532 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Well, you're probably safe from Anya. Me, I don't know what a) invested in male culture really means b) how Mal demonstrated that and in a far distant third position c) how closely tied that is to non-fictitious parenting.

So that's what I was wondering about.


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 3:25:11 pm PST #533 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

OK. I don't know anything about psychological studies. I raised a boy, but it was with the assistance of a strong woman.

OK. "Assistance" is too strong. She raised him. I occasionally played b-ball with him,giving him the ego-boost of trouncing my academic tushy.


aurelia - Feb 03, 2005 4:10:06 pm PST #534 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm gonna mix Beverly and ita's speculation on Zoe and say that perhaps her family was the security end of a formal household. Training in being both deadly and polite.


DebetEsse - Feb 03, 2005 4:13:22 pm PST #535 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I don't think so, aurelia. She doesn't strike me as someone raised to service the "those people right there" (which is different from a general "service" ethos)


aurelia - Feb 03, 2005 4:37:19 pm PST #536 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

I'm not really thinking of it as "service" so much as a culture in which security is both necessary and highly regarded.


alienprayer - Feb 03, 2005 5:33:54 pm PST #537 of 10001
Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. -Bierce

How about an artificial station or colony in a hostile environment for Zoe? A dangerous enviroment could leave the culture very conscious of both rank and ability.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 5:36:34 pm PST #538 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

She could have been raised in something like a gender-equitable Barrayar.


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 6:05:18 pm PST #539 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

gender-equitable Barrayar ...

Zoe is Elena Bothari! I knew it!


Liese S. - Feb 03, 2005 6:06:54 pm PST #540 of 10001
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I could definitely see Zoe in a military family. But she also does have quite a bearing of authority, although not necessarily the need to be top dog. Government otherwise, maybe?


Allyson - Feb 03, 2005 6:17:58 pm PST #541 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I am home. I am having soup and bread for supper, and screw the diet, I WILL HAVE THE VANILLA ICE CREAM AND HOT BUTTERSCOTCH.