Zoe: Uh huh. River, honey? He's putting the hair away now. River: It'll still be there... waiting.

'Jaynestown'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Beverly - Feb 03, 2005 2:27:02 pm PST #507 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Yep. I thought he would have been a jock, a class clown. I think Anne thought he would have been an AV nerd, who got tired of being bullied and bulked up and worked out.

Zoe was a doctor's daughter, only child, southern family, wealthy, genteel and well-educated. They lost everything in the war, which is why she wound up fighting.

Mal we all know about. My theory was that he was raised by a single mom, rich in life experience, laughter, sense of who he was in the community and family roots going back generations on their land. Lots of men worked there, but there was never a lot of money for new clothes, or a car when he turned 16. He may even have dropped out of high school to help out on the ranch--or farm, whichever. He had an early education in self-sufficiency, getting by and making do, and not feeling any embarrassment about it, and also in bossing people--the men who worked the ranch were mostly older than he was, but he would have been his mother's foreman from an early age. His experiences with command in the war sort of cemented that ability, while also embittering him and making him question his values. The ones he still retains he holds onto fiercely.

I never got as far as Book, but he's a fascinating one to puzzle out, for me.

Simon and River, we know all about them already. And I never connected enough with Inara to speculate about her past more than idly.


Tamara - Feb 03, 2005 2:28:41 pm PST #508 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

Nilly! Thank you. That is exactly what I was hoping for. I even thought to myself, "Maybe Nilly will come along and be all eloquent." Hee!

Beverly, that was great.

Gus, I don't disagree. I think her silence and facial expression (or lack of one) is open to interpretation. Just as everything else in that episode. Fun.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 2:30:22 pm PST #509 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

They lost everything in the war, which is why she wound up fighting.

I want Zoe's backstory. I want to know (and I understand you have to change these things to work in the almost-here and nearly-now) if she wound up fighting, or always was kinda like that.


DavidS - Feb 03, 2005 2:31:45 pm PST #510 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My theory was that he was raised by a single mom,

Huh. I don't see that. I mean he likes women, and strong women, but there definitely seems like there was a Dad in his life. He's invested in a lot of male culture.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 2:34:16 pm PST #511 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

there definitely seems like there was a Dad in his life. He's invested in a lot of male culture.

The guys I know that were raised by single mothers were invested in male culture just fine (a couple overly so, sadly) -- but what is this investment on Mal's part that you note?


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 2:36:23 pm PST #512 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Zoe is from a military family. I will arm wrestle anyone who says else wise. Except Beverly, that is, 'cuz her scary mental prowess on the Mal thing has spooked me.


Nilly - Feb 03, 2005 2:40:43 pm PST #513 of 10001
Swouncing

From the same episode:

Mal: My momma had a ranch -- back on Shadow, where I'm from. Ran cattle, mostly. Wasn't nobody ran harder or smarter. Used to tell me: don't brand the cattle, brand the buyer; he's the one likely to stray.
Saffron: She raised you herself?
Mal: Well, her and about forty hands. I had more family for a kid...


Ginger - Feb 03, 2005 2:41:18 pm PST #514 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

This is where I got the impression Mal was raised by a single mother:

MAL: My momma had a ranch, back on Shadow where I'm from. Ran cattle, mostly - wasn't nobody ran 'em harder or smarter. Used to tell me, don't brand the cattle, brand the buyer - he's the one likely to stray.

SAFFRON: She raised you herself?

MAL: Well, her and about 40 hands. I had more family for a kid who...

eta: Curse your sudden but inevitable crosspost, Nilly.


Nilly - Feb 03, 2005 2:43:28 pm PST #515 of 10001
Swouncing

The clicking-of-my-keyboard is an evil click.


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 2:44:42 pm PST #516 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Oh, Mal's Mom was a strong, independant woman.

Strong Moms make strong chitlin's. Every time.