I'm so sorry, but if it makes you feel any better, my fun-time-Buffy party night involved watching a robot throw Spike through a window, so if you want to trade... no wait, I wouldn't give up that memory for anything.

Buffy ,'Get It Done'


Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Ginger - Feb 03, 2005 2:41:18 pm PST #514 of 10001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

This is where I got the impression Mal was raised by a single mother:

MAL: My momma had a ranch, back on Shadow where I'm from. Ran cattle, mostly - wasn't nobody ran 'em harder or smarter. Used to tell me, don't brand the cattle, brand the buyer - he's the one likely to stray.

SAFFRON: She raised you herself?

MAL: Well, her and about 40 hands. I had more family for a kid who...

eta: Curse your sudden but inevitable crosspost, Nilly.


Nilly - Feb 03, 2005 2:43:28 pm PST #515 of 10001
Swouncing

The clicking-of-my-keyboard is an evil click.


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 2:44:42 pm PST #516 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Oh, Mal's Mom was a strong, independant woman.

Strong Moms make strong chitlin's. Every time.


Beverly - Feb 03, 2005 2:46:23 pm PST #517 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I don't know where this image comes from, but I really see Mal without a dad. All the men who worked for his mom would have provided male role models, and also have given him some perspective on the vagaries of human nature. Of course I have no way of knowing, but I feel it very strongly. I think he took on responsibility early, and rather than resenting it, he was glad to do it. He was invested in the farm/ranch/thing, it was his family's past, and his own future. The world was all laid out before him predictable, full of hard work but also affection, respect, and no doubt a certain admiration. The war changed all that. I just see it--that it not only stripped away his belief system but his future. He's got a few moral values left from the way he was raised, everything else he's making up as he goes.

I see Zoe as having been raised with a certain amount of privilege and the responsibility that goes with that in certain wealthy families. She would have been used to directing people, giving instructions and expecting them to be obeyed. Pleasant, but brooking no insubordination. This sort of poise is often bred by experience, and Zoe's feels like that, to me. Her unflappability would have been taught. There's a stillness about her, an awareness of her body in space (the space she inhabits and moves in, not "outer" space) a physicality contained and graceful that a finishing school would instill. I know a couple of women who were "finished," and they have this quality. It's a sort of physical serenity (you should pardon the expression). It isn't really noticeable until you've spent some time with them. And then you realize, they never fidget. They don't have nervous mannerisms. They are animated but controlled at all times. They are pleasant and even genuine, but they are never abandoned. And this, to me, is Zoe.

The war would have toughened her, sharpened her, made her dangerous, but the core of her would have been forged in wealth, responsibility to the community and to her family and her household. It may have been a little cold, a little lacking in affection and warmth, and the comraderie of combat might have been the first time she felt that close to people she was responsible for and to.

Just my impressions. But it's a fun game to play.


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 2:48:01 pm PST #518 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

a physicality contained and graceful that a finishing school would instill

Or, Occamishly, a long time in one or more fighting systems. Even if not formally taught, but handed down within the family.


DavidS - Feb 03, 2005 2:48:24 pm PST #519 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I don't know where this image comes from, but I really see Mal without a dad.

Maybe 'cuz it's canon in the show?


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 2:53:03 pm PST #520 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

... responsibility to the community and to her family and her household. It may have been a little cold, a little lacking in affection and warmth, and the comraderie of combat might have been the first time she felt that close to people she was responsible for and to...

Which is why I'm going with a military family for Zoe.

Mal is way too aware of what is going on to be heavily Dad-influenced. The male influence he had from the ranch hands was always tempered by the thought: "Hombre, these braggarts work for my Mom!"


§ ita § - Feb 03, 2005 2:55:19 pm PST #521 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Mal is way too aware of what is going on to be heavily Dad-influenced.

Okay, someone really needs to explain "What Fathers Make Boys Into" for ita. Clueless and jocky, it seems.


Gus - Feb 03, 2005 3:03:43 pm PST #522 of 10001
Bag the crypto. Say what is on your mind.

Clueless and jocky, it seems.

You have it, ita. You may not like further explication, but there it is.

Men are not to be trusted with rearing of anything but horses.


Beverly - Feb 03, 2005 3:03:52 pm PST #523 of 10001
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

I don't know where this image comes from, but I really see Mal without a dad.

Maybe 'cuz it's canon in the show?

Yup, that could be it.

ita, hmmm. How funny our differences in Zoe background speculation. You are quite as likely right as I am, with your

long time in one or more fighting systems. Even if not formally taught, but handed down within the family.

I'm tickled that we come up with very different ideas, based on our own experiences. And each would be likely.

Mal is way too aware of what is going on to be heavily Dad-influenced. The male influence he had from the ranch hands was always tempered by the thought: "Hombre, these braggarts work for my Mom!"

Yes, that's the read I had on it, too. Even if I was, you know, influenced by canon.