The clicking-of-my-keyboard is an evil click.

Oh, Mal's Mom was a strong, independant woman.

Strong Moms make strong chitlin's. Every time.

I don't know where this image comes from, but I really see Mal without a dad. All the men who worked for his mom would have provided male role models, and also have given him some perspective on the vagaries of human nature. Of course I have no way of knowing, but I feel it very strongly. I think he took on responsibility early, and rather than resenting it, he was glad to do it. He was invested in the farm/ranch/thing, it was his family's past, and his own future. The world was all laid out before him predictable, full of hard work but also affection, respect, and no doubt a certain admiration. The war changed all that. I just see it--that it not only stripped away his belief system but his future. He's got a few moral values left from the way he was raised, everything else he's making up as he goes.

I see Zoe as having been raised with a certain amount of privilege and the responsibility that goes with that in certain wealthy families. She would have been used to directing people, giving instructions and expecting them to be obeyed. Pleasant, but brooking no insubordination. This sort of poise is often bred by experience, and Zoe's feels like that, to me. Her unflappability would have been taught. There's a stillness about her, an awareness of her body in space (the space she inhabits and moves in, not "outer" space) a physicality contained and graceful that a finishing school would instill. I know a couple of women who were "finished," and they have this quality. It's a sort of physical serenity (you should pardon the expression). It isn't really noticeable until you've spent some time with them. And then you realize, they never fidget. They don't have nervous mannerisms. They are animated but controlled at all times. They are pleasant and even genuine, but they are never abandoned. And this, to me, is Zoe.

The war would have toughened her, sharpened her, made her dangerous, but the core of her would have been forged in wealth, responsibility to the community and to her family and her household. It may have been a little cold, a little lacking in affection and warmth, and the comraderie of combat might have been the first time she felt that close to people she was responsible for and to.

Just my impressions. But it's a fun game to play.

a physicality contained and graceful that a finishing school would instill

Or, Occamishly, a long time in one or more fighting systems. Even if not formally taught, but handed down within the family.

I don't know where this image comes from, but I really see Mal without a dad.

Maybe 'cuz it's canon in the show?

... responsibility to the community and to her family and her household. It may have been a little cold, a little lacking in affection and warmth, and the comraderie of combat might have been the first time she felt that close to people she was responsible for and to...

Which is why I'm going with a military family for Zoe.

Mal is way too aware of what is going on to be heavily Dad-influenced. The male influence he had from the ranch hands was always tempered by the thought: "Hombre, these braggarts work for my Mom!"

Mal is way too aware of what is going on to be heavily Dad-influenced.

Okay, someone really needs to explain "What Fathers Make Boys Into" for ita. Clueless and jocky, it seems.

Clueless and jocky, it seems.

You have it, ita. You may not like further explication, but there it is.

Men are not to be trusted with rearing of anything but horses.

I don't know where this image comes from, but I really see Mal without a dad.

Maybe 'cuz it's canon in the show?

Yup, that could be it.

ita, hmmm. How funny our differences in Zoe background speculation. You are quite as likely right as I am, with your

long time in one or more fighting systems. Even if not formally taught, but handed down within the family.

I'm tickled that we come up with very different ideas, based on our own experiences. And each would be likely.

Mal is way too aware of what is going on to be heavily Dad-influenced. The male influence he had from the ranch hands was always tempered by the thought: "Hombre, these braggarts work for my Mom!"

Yes, that's the read I had on it, too. Even if I was, you know, influenced by canon.

Okay, someone really needs to explain "What Fathers Make Boys Into" for ita. Clueless and jocky, it seems.

Hmmm, well that's not really my plan with Emmett? Is that what you did with your son, Gus?

Psychological studies show that a father's influence on his son tends to manifest as modeling proper (socialized?) ways to express aggression.

I have no idea how that relates to this discussion of Mal, however.