Yeah, posting angry may not have been the best idea, but honestly, I think the only way that place stays in business is to grab people who are unaware they are being ripped off. That Serenity comic incident is by no means an isolated one. If that post makes a few more people walk the extra block or two to Whyte Knight and are thus able to avoid getting scammed, I'm glasd he posted it.
I walk. I talk. I shop, I sneeze. I'm gonna be a fireman when the floods roll back. There's trees in the desert since you moved out. And I don't sleep on a bed of bones.
Buffy ,'Chosen'
Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains
Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.
Edain - Jul 28, 2005 6:59:47 am PDT #3818 of 10001
"Being hungover is like winning the lottery, except they pay you in regret!" - T-Rex
Strega - Jul 28, 2005 7:25:28 am PDT #3819 of 10001
its you are there approach owes a bit to Firefly. Unacknowledged on the mini-series DVD though.
Moore's original mission statement for the miniseries describes using a documentary style and hand-held cameras, and extending that look into the FX shots. That was written in early (Jan. or Feb.) 2002. There was probably a "Firefly" pilot script then, but unless Moore was sneaking into Whedon's office and reading his notes, maybe they both just had the same idea. It's really not so groundbreaking that two people couldn't come up with it independently.
Sorry, but you have no idea how tired I am of hearing that.
JenP - Jul 28, 2005 7:48:39 am PDT #3820 of 10001
Ah, Strega. I'm so glad you posted that. I actually spent time last night trying to figure out when things were created/filmed, etc. (to no avail, and, OK, I gave up pretty quickly), because the "he got that from Firefly" assertion has always made me twitch a little.
DXMachina - Jul 28, 2005 7:59:43 am PDT #3821 of 10001
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
because the "he got that from Firefly" assertion has always made me twitch a little.
I can see how people would see them as visually similar, because it's the same studio doing the effects shots (including putting a cameo of Serenity in the mini-series).
Frankenbuddha - Jul 28, 2005 8:00:52 am PDT #3822 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I can see how people would see them as visually similar, because it's the same studio doing the effects shots (including putting a cameo of Serenity in the mini-series).
Is BSG doing sound or no-sound in space?
tommyrot - Jul 28, 2005 8:03:01 am PDT #3823 of 10001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.
Is BSG doing sound or no-sound in space?
Very little sound. (i.e. muted.) They considered doing no sound, but felt it was too distracting, with all the space battles they have.
JenP - Jul 28, 2005 8:03:59 am PDT #3824 of 10001
I can see how people would see them as visually similar
Oh, me, too. But the leap from that to "he got the idea from Joss" is what I'm talking about as making me twitchy. The effects people using a similar style to what they used in Firefly makes perfect sense to me given that BSG also uses the docu-style shooting, and that they put in that shot of Serenity, I found utterly charming.
[edited out; needlessly saying the same thing twice]
Strega - Jul 28, 2005 8:33:39 am PDT #3825 of 10001
What Jen said. I wouldn't be shocked if R&D had Zoic do the FX because by then they'd already demonstrated that they could do the handheld style. But the fact that the two shows have a similar visual style does not mean that one of them directly influenced the other.
Mr. Broom - Jul 28, 2005 11:37:26 am PDT #3826 of 10001
"When I look at people that I would like to feel have been a mentor or an inspiring kind of archetype of what I'd love to see my career eventually be mentioned as a footnote for in the same paragraph, it would be, like, Bowie." ~Trent Reznor
Yeah, that's the same logic people apply to the "Firefly is a Cowboy Bebop ripoff" argument. After which, therefore because of doesn't work.
Kalshane - Jul 28, 2005 12:16:46 pm PDT #3827 of 10001
GS: If you had to choose between kicking evil in the head or the behind, which would you choose, and why?
Minsc: I'm not sure I understand the question. I have two feet, do I not? You do not take a small plate when the feast of evil welcomes seconds.
Well, I think the "BSG is ripping off Firefly" mess started because the press release about BSG came out around or shortly after Firefly's cancellation, so reading this document touting all these stylistic choices as being "ground-breaking" and "never done before" worked up a lot of fans' ire. At the time the pain of losing the show was still fresh and I don't think anyone was thinking clearly enough to research when BSG had actually been concieved.
There's no point in crying about it nowadays, though.