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Firefly 4: Also, we can kill you with our brains  

Discussion of the Mutant Enemy series, Firefly, the ensuing movie Serenity, and other projects in that universe. Like the other show threads, anything broadcast in the US is fine; spoilers are verboten and will be deleted if found.


Steph L. - Apr 26, 2005 3:46:22 pm PDT #1561 of 10001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

How's this for fickle?

Folks who hang out in the other threads know my opinion of Firefly the series. I tried to like it, I really did, and I just couldn't get past the "gorram"s and the random Chinese phrases and Kaylee's too-too preciousness.

People who don't know me, hold your flamethrowers for a minute.

I watched the trailer. It looks....kickass. Very, very kickass. Will I see it? I imagine I will, based on the trailer alone. And I'll probably take people.

So sometimes fickle works out for the best. It happens.


Scrappy - Apr 26, 2005 3:55:55 pm PDT #1562 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Loyalty/respect for a writer is different than loyalty to a show. It's like following a specific performer's career because you lke their work. As a writer, I think it's makes more sense to have oyalty to a writer, as writers have specific voices and chances are, if you like their voice in one thing, you will like it in another.

There's also loyalty/respect for fandom in return, which some writers/performers have and some don't. IMO, once the piece is written, the creator has done their job--they owe the fandom nothing, not even a second glance. It's very cool and satisfying when there IS that respect, but it isn't part of the job. I have the freedom not to care about a writer's work and they have the freedom not to care about me, even if I volunteer my time to help their career. I tend to respect performers more when they do pay attention to their fans, but it isn't a given. All the respect in the world won't make me like and support work if I don't. George Lucas could buy me a house and I would still think the SW prequels suck.


beekaytee - Apr 26, 2005 4:00:19 pm PDT #1563 of 10001
Compassionately intolerant

It hadn't occured to me before, but now that it's mentioned, it's a curiosity that Tim isn't mentioned anywhere in conjunction with Serenity. Clearly, there is a galaxy's worth of information I'm not privy to but...now that you mention it. Huh.


Allyson - Apr 26, 2005 4:11:44 pm PDT #1564 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

IMO, once the piece is written, the creator has done their job--they owe the fandom nothing, not even a second glance.

I agree. I have some meta issues outside the scope of show-saving that are personal. I found a good loving home for his cat. I was asked to help pimp the Kerry thing, which I did, and then suffered abuse and humilation from another fan who verbally kicked the shit out of me (long story short, his info came from the asinine Kerry campaign, mine from office o' joss). I said, "hey, some person is calling me a liar and an idiot and seems to be making me look like a liar and idiot," and no one came to my aid.

So that has added to my feelings of resentment. I'm not owed anything by anyone connected to Firefly for my efforts. No one asked for help, really, except Kai. And she just asked for signatures on a petition. It's just that it seems polite to say thank you to someone who picks you up when you fall. You may not have asked for the hand, and yet, there it is.

So he can't have my ten bucks. The fandom who lent me their trust? They can have the world on a platter.


Scrappy - Apr 26, 2005 4:13:30 pm PDT #1565 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I totally get it, Allyson.


libkitty - Apr 26, 2005 4:15:54 pm PDT #1566 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

So, this may be a stupid question, but who is Kai?


Scrappy - Apr 26, 2005 4:19:37 pm PDT #1567 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Joss's wife.


libkitty - Apr 26, 2005 4:29:45 pm PDT #1568 of 10001
Embrace the idea that we are the leaders we've been looking for. Grace Lee Boggs

Thanks.


Tamara - Apr 26, 2005 4:39:26 pm PDT #1569 of 10001
You know, we could experiment and cancel football.

suffered abuse and humilation from another fan who verbally kicked the shit out of me

Mainly because that person is an insufferable SOB. Just my two cents.

ETA: I did defend you quietly, Allyson and have been ridiculed and humiliated as well. He is a prick.


beth b - Apr 26, 2005 5:12:03 pm PDT #1570 of 10001
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

skipping thru to say my family - some of whom did not see firefly are already kicking tags back and forth in email.