Not if they want to keep their testicles.

Some girls like that sort of thing. Not wrong or right, just is.

How many people do you know eat the same thing for lunch every day? How many people do you know have only dated one person?

I've loved pasta my whole life. I have it four times a week. My favorite ice cream is chocolate chip. It's never changed. It's not my use of the word fickle but my use of the generalization that all women are fickle that was taken exception to.

Not if they want to keep their testicles.

You're so fickle.

I was reacting more to the Talkbacks I'm involved with over at AICN

This is your main problem. Why would anyone over 14 years old who has seen a woman naked go to AICN Talkbacks for anything? Back away from the AICN Talkbacks. No good can come of it.

Makes me think how much they loved Show A in the first place.

She has the Variety ad and six weeks of working around the clock and on weekends to organize the fandom to prove it.

Honestly? For me, it was more about loving Tim to pieces, and seeing him hurt. If I dared speak for Kristen, I'd say that was a big part of it for her, too.

I wrote about the campaign, and Tim's hurt was the catalyst for us, as Kai's petition was for Kiba.

It wasn't all about Firefly, it was about friends, love of fandom in general, and the pleasure of a successful project.

I believe in my heart of hearts that what we did organized the fandom and taught them how much can be accomplished through the grassroots and sticking together.

I believe we could have raised that sort of army for Wonderfalls.

And I'm all about doing it for The Inside, which I believe is a great show written by a good man who will get every ounce of love I can put into promoting the fuck out of it. It's deserved, the way the Firefly campaign was deserved.

End hubris.

Based solely on the fact that someone says they love Show A then turns around and says Show A doesn't do it for me, I'm all about Show B now, that does seem a little fickle to me

What's wrong with that? Tastes change over time. I'm not half as interested in figure skating now as I was two years ago, but I've always figured that's OK, since skating and I never made any "till death do us part" promises to each other.

Based solely on the fact that someone says they love Show A then turns around and says Show A doesn't do it for me, I'm all about Show B now, that does seem a little fickle to me.

But that's not what I said and it's what you keep refusing to acknowledge.

When it first premiered, I hated FF. A lot. You can look it up. (In fact, I didn't think too highly of it back when I read the original pilot script the spring before it premiered.) But I stuck with it because it was Tim's baby and he really loved it and, frankly, I felt guilty that I didn't love it too. In time, I came to love FF. But that was due to OoG (Tim's episode) and Ariel (Jose Molina's episode) and probably because I needed to love it since I had already agreed to try and save it.

And now there's a movie and it's all Joss. No Tim. No Jose. It's Joss's baby and he did it all. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. I'm saying it's not my thing. I am not all about Joss any longer. I haven't been in a very long time. Maybe that is fickle. I dunno. I do know that I love Bruce Springsteen and, if I ran into him one day and he punched me in the face, I'd probably not want to listen Bruce so much anymore.

I'm not sure if the above is clear enough so let me hammer it home one more time. I only watched FF because it was Tim's show. I only worked to save it because it was Tim's show. I'm glad that the fans have a movie but I don't particularly want to see it because it's not Tim's show.

As for why I deleted my post the other night, people that I don't know on the internet already know too much about my life and the walls in this place have big ears. Cowardly, yes. But much more peaceful.

I believe we could have raised that sort of army for Wonderfalls.

I wish we had. Note to self: add Wonderfalls to birthday list.

as Kai's petition was for Kiba.

Damn straight. Probably would've just sat on my ass and grumbled when the show was cancelled, if that hadn't popped into my inbox. Instead, I sat on my ass and coded. Much more productive. (Also I spent hours upon hours watching commercials of recorded episodes, finding sponsors' addresses, etc. But still that was mostly sitting.)

ETA: Re: fickle. Again, I haven't been around to see all the original stuff, but I think there's a big difference between today I love something tomorrow I hate it and today I love something, two to nine years from now I don't love it anymore. Most people slowly come and go from their favorite things/obsessions. We'd all be stagnant if we didn't. It's not the same thing as expressing devotion one day and hatred the next.

Honestly? For me, it was more about loving Tim to pieces, and seeing him hurt.

If what happened to Tim makes you not care about what happens to Mal, Zoe and the rest, so be it. Who am I tell you not to feel that way? I've heard you say that you connected with Jaye from Wonderfalls, well I connected to these characters that same way. It's always been about the story for me. I tried to organize people (albeit lane, futile and unsuccessful) to get Dark Horse to do a Firefly comic so that the story could continue. It's the one thing that somehow always takes a backseat. Even if this movie wasn't the best, I'd like to see two more made because I want the whole story to be told.

I do know that I love Bruce Springsteen...

Well, now you can do no wrong in my eyes, maybe that makes me fickle. See the thing about my original post is I just threw it out there, not meant toward anyone specifically. There may only be a handful of people that it could have applied to but it wasn't meant for any one person. Same to you as Allyson above, I'm a fan of the end result. Perhaps I misunderstood the reasons why Serenity was being cast aside. It felt to me that it had something to do with the potential of the film or worthiness of the story to continue and obviously, I'd take opposite position.

How's this for fickle?

Folks who hang out in the other threads know my opinion of Firefly the series. I tried to like it, I really did, and I just couldn't get past the "gorram"s and the random Chinese phrases and Kaylee's too-too preciousness.

People who don't know me, hold your flamethrowers for a minute.

I watched the trailer. It looks....kickass. Very, very kickass. Will I see it? I imagine I will, based on the trailer alone. And I'll probably take people.

So sometimes fickle works out for the best. It happens.

Loyalty/respect for a writer is different than loyalty to a show. It's like following a specific performer's career because you lke their work. As a writer, I think it's makes more sense to have oyalty to a writer, as writers have specific voices and chances are, if you like their voice in one thing, you will like it in another.

There's also loyalty/respect for fandom in return, which some writers/performers have and some don't. IMO, once the piece is written, the creator has done their job--they owe the fandom nothing, not even a second glance. It's very cool and satisfying when there IS that respect, but it isn't part of the job. I have the freedom not to care about a writer's work and they have the freedom not to care about me, even if I volunteer my time to help their career. I tend to respect performers more when they do pay attention to their fans, but it isn't a given. All the respect in the world won't make me like and support work if I don't. George Lucas could buy me a house and I would still think the SW prequels suck.

It hadn't occured to me before, but now that it's mentioned, it's a curiosity that Tim isn't mentioned anywhere in conjunction with Serenity. Clearly, there is a galaxy's worth of information I'm not privy to but...now that you mention it. Huh.

IMO, once the piece is written, the creator has done their job--they owe the fandom nothing, not even a second glance.

I agree. I have some meta issues outside the scope of show-saving that are personal. I found a good loving home for his cat. I was asked to help pimp the Kerry thing, which I did, and then suffered abuse and humilation from another fan who verbally kicked the shit out of me (long story short, his info came from the asinine Kerry campaign, mine from office o' joss). I said, "hey, some person is calling me a liar and an idiot and seems to be making me look like a liar and idiot," and no one came to my aid.

So that has added to my feelings of resentment. I'm not owed anything by anyone connected to Firefly for my efforts. No one asked for help, really, except Kai. And she just asked for signatures on a petition. It's just that it seems polite to say thank you to someone who picks you up when you fall. You may not have asked for the hand, and yet, there it is.

So he can't have my ten bucks. The fandom who lent me their trust? They can have the world on a platter.