See, and I didn't find Sawyer sympathetic, and I don't see where he's been redeemed in any way.
Nope. It's awfully tough to redeem a murderer. At least for me.
(or what Betsy said...)
Yeah... That went well.
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DXMachina - Feb 17, 2005 8:19:17 am PST #6158 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2005 8:21:55 am PST #6159 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
he killed a guy in Sydney just to watch him die
Except, he didn't.
I'm not talking about effect, here. I'm talking about authorial intent. And I really feell that they're sanding everyone down.
Betsy HP - Feb 17, 2005 8:23:28 am PST #6160 of 10000
If I only had a brain...
I think the writers have no guts in general. I was completely surprised when Sawyer's murder didn't turn out to be a dream sequence. By now, I've come to expect every evil or even naughty deed to be unrolled by the end of the episode.
DXMachina - Feb 17, 2005 8:23:51 am PST #6161 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
Except, he didn't.
He doesn't get a revenge pass from me. Original!Sawyer didn't kill his parents. Sawyer's father killed his parents.
Nutty - Feb 17, 2005 8:24:27 am PST #6162 of 10000
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I like the fact that, not only is he a murderer, he's an incompetent murderer. Woobify that, mushy people!!
Ask questions first, shoot later. Advice for the ages.
I am with Jessica, classing Sawyer in the Jackass arena rather than antagonist/antihero. Like, he is a Jackass with a Secret Pain, but mostly, he just acts like a jackass. Spike was overtly woobified, which was annoying as all get-out BTW, whereas one must woobify Sawyer on something other than his canonical merits, if one is to woobify him at all.
§ ita § - Feb 17, 2005 8:24:52 am PST #6163 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I think the writers have no guts in general.
On this we agree. Having Sawyer having killed the right guy, and/or having no regrets -- then he's still bad. Showing him upset and used? Sanding down.
He doesn't get a revenge pass from me
Again, not talking about from you. Talking about what the writers seem to be trying for.
-t - Feb 17, 2005 8:27:24 am PST #6164 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
Sawyer didn't kill his parents. Sawyer's father killed his parents.
I had to read this a couple of time to get it straight.
Jack's father was quite the Diabolus ex Machina.
Frankenbuddha - Feb 17, 2005 8:30:21 am PST #6165 of 10000
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
I like the fact that, not only is he a murderer, he's an incompetent murderer. Woobify that, mushy people!!
AND an even more incompetent mercy killer. He really should give up the whole killing thing - it's not working for him at all.
DXMachina - Feb 17, 2005 8:30:55 am PST #6166 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
I had to read this a couple of time to get it straight.
Yeah, I went back an edited to clarify what I meant.
DXMachina - Feb 17, 2005 8:32:23 am PST #6167 of 10000
You always do this. We get tipsy, and you take advantage of my love of the scientific method.
He really should give up the whole killing thing - it's not working for him at all.
He should've shot the boar. Protein just standing there for pity sake.