Look, Angel, I know you've been out of the loop for a while, but I'm still evil. I don't do errands...unless they're evil errands.

Lilah ,'Just Rewards (2)'


Lost: OMGWTF POLAR BEAR  

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Kathy A - Feb 17, 2005 7:52:16 am PST #6148 of 10000
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I just read the Entertainment Weekly recap (you have to have a subscription to access it, unfortunately), and I liked this take on Jack vs. Sawyer:

In the aftermath of ''Outlaws,'' Sawyer's importance to the larger unfolding drama that is Lost was elevated significantly. He is truly Jack's analogue — a complicated, tortured soul who is not as evil as everyone thinks, just as complicated, tortured Jack isn't nearly as good as everyone thinks. I loved Sawyer's final scene with Jack, spitefully withholding from his rival what he knows about Jack's dad. It's a testament to how sympathetic Sawyer has become (and how smug Jack has become) that I didn't mind seeing Sawyer hurt Jack this way. More so than Kate and Charlie, Sawyer has emerged as Lost's most moving and essential redemption story.


JenP - Feb 17, 2005 7:53:19 am PST #6149 of 10000

Liked his work during the "I Never" game, too. Playful, snagged, darkly bitter. He was workin' it this ep.


§ ita § - Feb 17, 2005 7:54:39 am PST #6150 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Jack? Complicated? Did I miss an episode?


JenP - Feb 17, 2005 7:58:01 am PST #6151 of 10000

It's a testament to how sympathetic Sawyer has become (and how smug Jack has become) that I didn't mind seeing Sawyer hurt Jack this way. More so than Kate and Charlie, Sawyer has emerged as Lost's most moving and essential redemption story.

See, and I didn't find Sawyer sympathetic, and I don't see where he's been redeemed in any way. I feel like I know more of his story now, but I don't see the redemption part of it. A little help? [ETA: I understand his desire for revenge, and I feel sorry for his childhood trauma, for sure. But I don't see the redemption angle. I just understand better why he is the way he is, but that doesn't redeem him.]

Actually, I think I felt sorrier for him after his previous "all about me" ep.

Not arguing with the smug Jack assessment, though. I was kind of, "Yeah, screw you," when he pulled his, "I asked you for the gun two days ago." Whatever, dude.


Jessica - Feb 17, 2005 8:04:54 am PST #6152 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

But I don't see the redemption angle. I just understand better why he is the way he is, but that doesn't redeem him.

Right. I mean, it's more understandable now why he is the way he is, but I think in order to count as redeemed, you have to stop being an asshole all the time, which he hasn't.


§ ita § - Feb 17, 2005 8:07:52 am PST #6153 of 10000
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

you have to stop being an asshole all the time

But he has -- he's being annoying, but he's not being dangerous, and is willing to act in the best interests of the community.

Maybe it's just where I started from. At the beginning, Sawyer looked like a bad boy and a threat, a wild card who couldn't be trusted.

Now he has a past as a tortured victim, and when push comes to shove, he's just in a pissing match with Jack. Since the torture, he hasn't been a liability.

He's not an antagonist, he's not even an anti-hero.


-t - Feb 17, 2005 8:13:21 am PST #6154 of 10000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

when push comes to shove, he's just in a pissing match with Jack. Since the torture, he hasn't been a liability.

Yeah, but he hasn't had a real conflict of interest with the rest of the passengers since the illusory inhaler incident. I'm not sure what could happen that would allow him the opportunity to be a real threat, now, but I'm not sure the potential is gone.


Betsy HP - Feb 17, 2005 8:14:06 am PST #6155 of 10000
If I only had a brain...

He's not an antagonist, he's not even an anti-hero.

Well, he killed a guy in Sydney just to watch him die. That has to count for something.


Jessica - Feb 17, 2005 8:14:50 am PST #6156 of 10000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

At the beginning, Sawyer looked like a bad boy and a threat, a wild card who couldn't be trusted.

I guess I see him as more lazy than softened. It's more work to constantly be a threat than it is to just be a jackass, especially in a situation where he really can't gain anything. (And his backstory hasn't shown him to be the kind of long-range planner that would want to manipulate the other survivors into making him King of the Island -- he's just not that kind of thinker.)


tiggy - Feb 17, 2005 8:18:34 am PST #6157 of 10000
I do believe in killing the messenger, you know why? Because it sends a message. ~ Damon Salvatore

Liked his work during the "I Never" game, too. Playful, snagged, darkly bitter. He was workin' it this ep.

oooh!! me too. especially when Kate called him on his "baggage". that glare and slight eye roll was superb! i loved the directing in this ep. the close-ups from the "I Never" seen especially!