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§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 11:29:26 am PDT #2476 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

What sort of movie is a Denzel Washington movie, though?

A Tom Hanks movie is probably touching and inspirational, and maybe he's not that bright. A Meg Ryan movie is supposed to be quirky and funny and romantic, and maybe not suck. A Julia Roberts movie is less quirky, more pointedly funny, and romantic or inspiring. A Tom Cruise movie -- it gets more complicated, but he still can't act, so there's a limit to his variety.

But what do you know about a movie if you know it's Denzel?

Which is to say...I think he has a very specific following, but maybe it's a black thing. And not a what kind of movie it means it'll be thing.


Scrappy - Aug 08, 2004 11:47:46 am PDT #2477 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I think with Denzel it's a yummy thing. At least among the women I know.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 11:51:53 am PDT #2478 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Except for that movie with Ethan Hawke, you can be pretty sure Denzel is going to play a man of honor who doesn't have sex on screen.

But really, who doesn't love Denzel?


DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2004 11:52:34 am PDT #2479 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

What I think of as a Denzel Washington movie: Little Guy/Underdog fighting against "the man" as primary theme. Serious/heavy movie, and maybe a kinda-complicated plot.

At least, in my head.

eta: Yes! That was the other thing: wicked understated, if any, romance for him.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 11:58:53 am PDT #2480 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think honor is a big word to apply to Virtuosity, Mississipi Masala, Carbon Copy, Fallen, and The Mighty Quinn and the wrong word to apply to Out Of Time, He Got Game, and Mo Better Blues.

And I thought it was that he didn't have sex with white women, until He Got Game, I had thought Mississipi Masala and Mo Better Blues had sex scenes.

He plays a regular guy a lot. More than Julia or Meg have shown diversity. With Tom Hanks it's that the ones in which he plays that guy get so much press/money, that the others fall off. I never got that impression with Denzel.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:03:43 pm PDT #2481 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I'm not saying he only plays one character, just what I would figure if you say "new Denzel Washington movie."


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:06:16 pm PDT #2482 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But I'm saying it hasn't described his history that well, and wouldn't help with his last five movies either.

Not challenging that you think so, but more wondering why. Did the 80s and early 90s define him that much? Is he the Preacher's Wife, Malcolm X, Cry Freedom, Glory guy despite all else? He hasn't had that much honour in his last ten movies.


Allyson - Aug 08, 2004 12:08:24 pm PDT #2483 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Whenever I think about Denzel, I think, "WE DIDNT LAND ON PLYMOUTH ROCK. PLYMOUT ROCK LANDED ON US!"


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:09:30 pm PDT #2484 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Did the 80s and early 90s define him that much?

To me, I guess so. Also, if Spike Lee is the director, in my head it's "a Spike Lee movie," not "a Denzel Washington movie."


DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2004 12:09:33 pm PDT #2485 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I really only tend to think of his stuff post-Malcolm X (maybe starting around Pelican Brief) as even potentially "Denzel Washington movies" (and not all after that are, of course).

Yeah, honor may not be the right word, but they do often have that "one man against the big, immovable corporation, government entity, social force" type of central conflict.

I think he has played away from type more often than many, but I still think its there, especially on the films that everyone knows/remembers.