I know I'm a bad poet, but I'm a good man. All I ask is that... is that you try to see me—

William ,'Conversations with Dead People'


Buffista Movies 3: Panned and Scanned  

A place to talk about movies--Old and new, good and bad, high art and high cheese. It's the place to place your kittens on the award winners, gossip about upcoming fims and discuss DVD releases and extras. Spoiler policy: White font all plot-related discussion until a movie's been in wide release two weeks, and keep the major HSQ in white font until two weeks after the video/DVD release.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:09:30 pm PDT #2484 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Did the 80s and early 90s define him that much?

To me, I guess so. Also, if Spike Lee is the director, in my head it's "a Spike Lee movie," not "a Denzel Washington movie."


DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2004 12:09:33 pm PDT #2485 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I really only tend to think of his stuff post-Malcolm X (maybe starting around Pelican Brief) as even potentially "Denzel Washington movies" (and not all after that are, of course).

Yeah, honor may not be the right word, but they do often have that "one man against the big, immovable corporation, government entity, social force" type of central conflict.

I think he has played away from type more often than many, but I still think its there, especially on the films that everyone knows/remembers.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:14:15 pm PDT #2486 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

especially on the films that everyone knows/remembers.

Which are those, you figure?

I my head, Spike Lee movies were Denzel movies. I have to keep reminding myself that not only was he not lead in Jungle Fever, he never in hell would have been.

Right now, a Denzel movie is one in which I get to see him look pretty. Mostly he's a romantic lead, or the saves someone, but that's no different from most of his co-workers. It's just that I figure I'll enjoy watching him do it more than most -- more like Robin's breakout than anything thematic at all. Movies like Training Day and He Got Game stick out in my head just as much as Malcolm X and Glory.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:17:50 pm PDT #2487 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Movies like Training Day and He Got Game stick out in my head just as much as Malcolm X and Glory.

Definitely. But I think it's the movies that don't stick out in my head that give me the impression of "a [star] movie." It's the whole mushy middle.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:22:57 pm PDT #2488 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also,

A Tom Hanks movie is probably touching and inspirational, and maybe he's not that bright.

Philadelphia? Cast Away? Catch Me If You Can?

Oh, and a PS to further above: It's KathArine Hepburn, FYI.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:23:20 pm PDT #2489 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But I think it's the movies that don't stick out in my head that give me the impression of "a [star] movie."

But you're typing those, right, based on something? Or am I reading your wrong? Do the movies that don't stick out have a character their own?


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:24:31 pm PDT #2490 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Philadelphia? Cast Away? Catch Me If You Can?

You will note the use of the word "probably."

And how was Philadelphia not meant to be touching and inspirational?


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:24:52 pm PDT #2491 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But you're typing those, right, based on something? Or am I reading your wrong? Do the movies that don't stick out have a character their own?

I don't know what you're asking.


erikaj - Aug 08, 2004 12:24:59 pm PDT #2492 of 10001
Always Anti-fascist!

Love Denzel. Am also very sad to have missed a discussion about killing people with hammers! Nobody told me...have you all just met me or something?:) OK, reasons why hammers are quite common as murder weapons. 1. Almost everyone has one. 2. They are cheap. 3. People don't always plan ahead when they kill, get pissed off and whack somebody with whatever comes to hand.( I read a book with a whole section on it, but that is what I remember.)


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:25:52 pm PDT #2493 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

And how was Philadelphia not meant to be touching and inspirational?

Oh, of course it was, but not in the mawkish, not-that-bright "Tom Hanks movie" way.