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§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:06:16 pm PDT #2482 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But I'm saying it hasn't described his history that well, and wouldn't help with his last five movies either.

Not challenging that you think so, but more wondering why. Did the 80s and early 90s define him that much? Is he the Preacher's Wife, Malcolm X, Cry Freedom, Glory guy despite all else? He hasn't had that much honour in his last ten movies.


Allyson - Aug 08, 2004 12:08:24 pm PDT #2483 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Whenever I think about Denzel, I think, "WE DIDNT LAND ON PLYMOUTH ROCK. PLYMOUT ROCK LANDED ON US!"


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:09:30 pm PDT #2484 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Did the 80s and early 90s define him that much?

To me, I guess so. Also, if Spike Lee is the director, in my head it's "a Spike Lee movie," not "a Denzel Washington movie."


DebetEsse - Aug 08, 2004 12:09:33 pm PDT #2485 of 10001
Woe to the fucking wicked.

I really only tend to think of his stuff post-Malcolm X (maybe starting around Pelican Brief) as even potentially "Denzel Washington movies" (and not all after that are, of course).

Yeah, honor may not be the right word, but they do often have that "one man against the big, immovable corporation, government entity, social force" type of central conflict.

I think he has played away from type more often than many, but I still think its there, especially on the films that everyone knows/remembers.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:14:15 pm PDT #2486 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

especially on the films that everyone knows/remembers.

Which are those, you figure?

I my head, Spike Lee movies were Denzel movies. I have to keep reminding myself that not only was he not lead in Jungle Fever, he never in hell would have been.

Right now, a Denzel movie is one in which I get to see him look pretty. Mostly he's a romantic lead, or the saves someone, but that's no different from most of his co-workers. It's just that I figure I'll enjoy watching him do it more than most -- more like Robin's breakout than anything thematic at all. Movies like Training Day and He Got Game stick out in my head just as much as Malcolm X and Glory.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:17:50 pm PDT #2487 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Movies like Training Day and He Got Game stick out in my head just as much as Malcolm X and Glory.

Definitely. But I think it's the movies that don't stick out in my head that give me the impression of "a [star] movie." It's the whole mushy middle.


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:22:57 pm PDT #2488 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Also,

A Tom Hanks movie is probably touching and inspirational, and maybe he's not that bright.

Philadelphia? Cast Away? Catch Me If You Can?

Oh, and a PS to further above: It's KathArine Hepburn, FYI.


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:23:20 pm PDT #2489 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

But I think it's the movies that don't stick out in my head that give me the impression of "a [star] movie."

But you're typing those, right, based on something? Or am I reading your wrong? Do the movies that don't stick out have a character their own?


§ ita § - Aug 08, 2004 12:24:31 pm PDT #2490 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Philadelphia? Cast Away? Catch Me If You Can?

You will note the use of the word "probably."

And how was Philadelphia not meant to be touching and inspirational?


Jesse - Aug 08, 2004 12:24:52 pm PDT #2491 of 10001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

But you're typing those, right, based on something? Or am I reading your wrong? Do the movies that don't stick out have a character their own?

I don't know what you're asking.