Oh! I know this one! 'Slaying entails certain sacrifices, blah blah blahbity blah, I'm so stuffy, gimme a scone.'

Buffy ,'Help'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:57:23 am PST #5070 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

And as far as I know, B5 never had the fanfic presence that either Trek or X-Files did/does.

How integral is fanfic to fandom? It's sort of part of my assumption -- not that you have to necessarily create or consume to be part of fandom, but it's a room in the house.

Could the lack of presense in fandom of the XY be related to the increased importance of fanfic?

As it, that's what's female dominated, and either overshadowed or drove out the manfolk?


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:57:31 am PST #5071 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Me, I want a nap. As well as loose shoes and a warm place to sleep.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:58:07 am PST #5072 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

adds another notch to the "factoids I learned online that define me as male" checklist.

I'm a status whore. I freely admit it. I want to be King of the Mountain. But, I know not the way.


DavidS - Mar 07, 2005 11:58:13 am PST #5073 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Unfortunately, I forget.

Metonymy. Or possibly Synecdoche.

eta: okay, the latter.

Main Entry: syn·ec·do·che : a figure of speech by which a part is put for the whole (as fifty sail for fifty ships), the whole for a part (as society for high society), the species for the genus (as cutthroat for assassin), the genus for the species (as a creature for a man), or the name of the material for the thing made (as boards for stage)


Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 11:59:12 am PST #5074 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Gilligan claims that girls prefer consensus and boys prefer hierarchy, ... Girls want popualrity and boys want status

The trouble is that popularity is status, under most circumstances. Similarly, consensus may turn out to result from social hierarchy, as anybody who has ever used the phrase "cool kids" in Bureaucracy can tell you.

It's extremely difficult to prove whether the goals are different for boys or girls, or whether it's the tactics and definitions of success that differ.


Pix - Mar 07, 2005 11:59:43 am PST #5075 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.

Huh. This whole discussion is making me wonder if maybe we're debating the wrong issue: is it possible that people in sci-fi fandoms tend to be less stereotypically gendered on both sides, male and female?

ETA: That sounds less like an insightful question and more like an obvious statement the longer I look at it. Nebbermind.


Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:59:59 am PST #5076 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

How integral is fanfic to fandom? It's sort of part of my assumption -- not that you have to necessarily create or consume to be part of fandom, but it's a room in the house.

Hell if I know. I mean, I know my experience of fandom, but what's the difference between someone who's a fan of the show and someone who's in fandom? It's nearly an eternal, unanswerable question.

Could the lack of presense in fandom of the XY be related to the increased importance of fanfic?

Because they don't write fic, or because fic is scary and it drove them away? My understanding is that anime fandoms and fic have a much higher proportion of men. It was also true of Farscape, interestingly enough.


Scrappy - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:23 pm PST #5077 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

But popularity is NOT the same thing--status has to do with someone recognizing you as better, and it doesn't matter whether they like you or not.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:24 pm PST #5078 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Synecdoche

Go team Shrift!


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:37 pm PST #5079 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

My definition is that fandom consists of fans who have sought out other fans, and succeeded in creating a group of fans dedicated to the Thing They Love.

A fan is solitary.

YDMV.