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The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:59:59 am PST #5076 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

How integral is fanfic to fandom? It's sort of part of my assumption -- not that you have to necessarily create or consume to be part of fandom, but it's a room in the house.

Hell if I know. I mean, I know my experience of fandom, but what's the difference between someone who's a fan of the show and someone who's in fandom? It's nearly an eternal, unanswerable question.

Could the lack of presense in fandom of the XY be related to the increased importance of fanfic?

Because they don't write fic, or because fic is scary and it drove them away? My understanding is that anime fandoms and fic have a much higher proportion of men. It was also true of Farscape, interestingly enough.


Scrappy - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:23 pm PST #5077 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

But popularity is NOT the same thing--status has to do with someone recognizing you as better, and it doesn't matter whether they like you or not.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:24 pm PST #5078 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Synecdoche

Go team Shrift!


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:37 pm PST #5079 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

My definition is that fandom consists of fans who have sought out other fans, and succeeded in creating a group of fans dedicated to the Thing They Love.

A fan is solitary.

YDMV.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:56 pm PST #5080 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

status has to do with someone recognizing you as better, and it doesn't matter whether they like you or not.

But it isn't uncommon for people to refuse to recognize the superior status of people they dislike.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:03:17 pm PST #5081 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Hmm. Then my husband and I are a fandom of two.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 12:03:30 pm PST #5082 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Because they don't write fic, or because fic is scary and it drove them away?

Either one, really. Maybe they glass-ceilinged out.

It's nearly an eternal, unanswerable question.

No, see, I answered it. The problem is, no one agrees with me. (FTR: You're in fandom if you seek new people out specifically for the subject of interest (to contrast against huddling on it with people you know) -- there's some production (fanart, fanfic) tweaking I may need to do, but I consider the -dom part (goes to a B&D Monaghan place for a sex) about community for the sake of the show)


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:04:33 pm PST #5083 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Hmm. I don't try to convince people that Historic Costuming Is Cool, although I very happily talk to people who share my interest. Does that mean that costuming is not fannish?

That is, must it be evangelical to be a fandom?


Dana - Mar 07, 2005 12:04:35 pm PST #5084 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

No, see, I answered it.

Well, please feel free to come to the next con I attend and defend it.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 12:04:37 pm PST #5085 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Then my husband and I are a fandom of two.

Sure.

But it isn't uncommon for people to refuse to recognize the superior status of people they dislike.

Happens to me every damn day.