Synecdoche
Go team Shrift!
I like money better than people. People can so rarely be exchanged for goods and/or services!
Willow ,'Showtime'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:24 pm PST #5078 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:37 pm PST #5079 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
My definition is that fandom consists of fans who have sought out other fans, and succeeded in creating a group of fans dedicated to the Thing They Love.
A fan is solitary.
YDMV.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:02:56 pm PST #5080 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
status has to do with someone recognizing you as better, and it doesn't matter whether they like you or not.
But it isn't uncommon for people to refuse to recognize the superior status of people they dislike.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:03:17 pm PST #5081 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Hmm. Then my husband and I are a fandom of two.
§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 12:03:30 pm PST #5082 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Because they don't write fic, or because fic is scary and it drove them away?
Either one, really. Maybe they glass-ceilinged out.
It's nearly an eternal, unanswerable question.
No, see, I answered it. The problem is, no one agrees with me. (FTR: You're in fandom if you seek new people out specifically for the subject of interest (to contrast against huddling on it with people you know) -- there's some production (fanart, fanfic) tweaking I may need to do, but I consider the -dom part (goes to a B&D Monaghan place for a sex) about community for the sake of the show)
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 12:04:33 pm PST #5083 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Hmm. I don't try to convince people that Historic Costuming Is Cool, although I very happily talk to people who share my interest. Does that mean that costuming is not fannish?
That is, must it be evangelical to be a fandom?
Dana - Mar 07, 2005 12:04:35 pm PST #5084 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
No, see, I answered it.
Well, please feel free to come to the next con I attend and defend it.
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 12:04:37 pm PST #5085 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Then my husband and I are a fandom of two.
Sure.
But it isn't uncommon for people to refuse to recognize the superior status of people they dislike.
Happens to me every damn day.
Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 12:06:08 pm PST #5086 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
My understanding is that anime fandoms and fic have a much higher proportion of men. It was also true of Farscape, interestingly enough.
I gather that when we say fandom in this conversation, we're talking about TV fandom, on the internet only? (I ask because I've been investigating a non-TV fandom on the internet lately, and it's really REALLY not majority-female.)
I haven't spent much time in male-dominated TV fandoms, so I couldn't tell you why the demographic oddity. As Dana notes, some TV fandoms are acculturated to fic, and some aren't, and some get into schisms about it (as happened on alt.tv.farscape, in the middle of season 1).
Scrappy - Mar 07, 2005 12:06:32 pm PST #5087 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
But true status is not related to opinion. In other words, if I am the Head of Production, I can fire you whether you like me or not. If I am first chair violin, I am a better player (or paid and given parts as if I am better) than third chair, no matter what third chair thinks.