I love the smell of desperate librarian in the morning.

Snyder ,'Showtime'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Pix - Mar 07, 2005 10:59:09 am PST #5010 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.

Female fans as reduced to using our bras to get a show back on the air?

Oh dear. That's discouraging.

ETA: I was very active in the 'Scaper campaign and did not participate in the bra part. Not that it was a bad thing, just not my thing.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:00:22 am PST #5011 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Woman are taught to co-operate with each other, rather than compete

Okay, blargh.

Also, no one gets my bra. Know how much trauma and cost was involved in obtaining this puppy? Not Farscape, not Firefly, nope.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:00 am PST #5012 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Master, is there a krav defense against a bra-snatcher?


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:22 am PST #5013 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What was interesting to me is that in my limited experience, it is women who tend to organize and run fan campaigns, though the common stereotype is the pimply-faced, overweight, socially inept boy as scifi/fantasy fan.


Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:49 am PST #5014 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

and lacking the option of physical violence

Which male fans find so useful in preventing their shows from being cancelled.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:59 am PST #5015 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Master, is there a krav defense against a bra-snatcher?

Yeah. It primarly involves keeping your shirt on.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 11:02:42 am PST #5016 of 10001
What is even happening?

Female fans as reduced to using our bras to get a show back on the air?

I think we joked around about some sort of breast oriented campaign for Firefly. Kiba or someone else rather breastacular was going to make shirts. I remember we bandied about something like, "Don't let Firefly go tits up."


Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 11:02:53 am PST #5017 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Woman are taught to co-operate with each other, rather than compete.

Spoken like someone who has never personally witnessed a BNF throwdown. I've seen plenty of female fannish cooperation, but I've seen just as much frivolous infighting, cruelty and competition. It doesn't take testicles to be a self-centered moron.

(Not to say this person can't have a good experience, but it's a bit much to generalize to the whole gender, much less the whole gender in the fandom context.)


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:03:29 am PST #5018 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I get really tired of the "women are naturally nicer than men" argument. Doesn't match my experience. People is people.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:04:14 am PST #5019 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Okay, blargh.

But in fan campaigns, they both cooperate and lead. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars and worldwide cooperation/communication to accomplish a complex goal.