You know what they say about payback? Well I'm the bitch.

Fred ,'Life of the Party'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:00 am PST #5012 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Master, is there a krav defense against a bra-snatcher?


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:22 am PST #5013 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

What was interesting to me is that in my limited experience, it is women who tend to organize and run fan campaigns, though the common stereotype is the pimply-faced, overweight, socially inept boy as scifi/fantasy fan.


Dana - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:49 am PST #5014 of 10001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

and lacking the option of physical violence

Which male fans find so useful in preventing their shows from being cancelled.


§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:01:59 am PST #5015 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Master, is there a krav defense against a bra-snatcher?

Yeah. It primarly involves keeping your shirt on.


Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 11:02:42 am PST #5016 of 10001
What is even happening?

Female fans as reduced to using our bras to get a show back on the air?

I think we joked around about some sort of breast oriented campaign for Firefly. Kiba or someone else rather breastacular was going to make shirts. I remember we bandied about something like, "Don't let Firefly go tits up."


Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 11:02:53 am PST #5017 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."

Woman are taught to co-operate with each other, rather than compete.

Spoken like someone who has never personally witnessed a BNF throwdown. I've seen plenty of female fannish cooperation, but I've seen just as much frivolous infighting, cruelty and competition. It doesn't take testicles to be a self-centered moron.

(Not to say this person can't have a good experience, but it's a bit much to generalize to the whole gender, much less the whole gender in the fandom context.)


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:03:29 am PST #5018 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

I get really tired of the "women are naturally nicer than men" argument. Doesn't match my experience. People is people.


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:04:14 am PST #5019 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

Okay, blargh.

But in fan campaigns, they both cooperate and lead. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars and worldwide cooperation/communication to accomplish a complex goal.


Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:05:47 am PST #5020 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Yes, but they all did it for the sake of Ben Browders's beaux yeux. Doesn't count. Because they are fangirls.

(Need I say I'm not serious?)


Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:06:37 am PST #5021 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

I don't think cooperation = nice, Betsy.

I think it's just a realization that you can't go it alone, and to persuade thousands of people to send postcards or money, you need to strike up alliances.