Okay, blargh.
But in fan campaigns, they both cooperate and lead. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars and worldwide cooperation/communication to accomplish a complex goal.
Well, look who just popped open a fresh can of venom.
Xander ,'Empty Places'
The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress
[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:04:14 am PST #5019 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:05:47 am PST #5020 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Yes, but they all did it for the sake of Ben Browders's beaux yeux. Doesn't count. Because they are fangirls.
(Need I say I'm not serious?)
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:06:37 am PST #5021 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
I don't think cooperation = nice, Betsy.
I think it's just a realization that you can't go it alone, and to persuade thousands of people to send postcards or money, you need to strike up alliances.
§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:07:17 am PST #5022 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars and worldwide cooperation/communication to accomplish a complex goal.
Yeah, but what is female about that? What is done that guys, by virtue of their goolies, couldn't?
Does anyone know what gender is trying to save Enterprise?
Allyson - Mar 07, 2005 11:10:08 am PST #5023 of 10001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
Yeah, but what is female about that? What is done that guys, by virtue of their goolies, couldn't?
Nothing. I'm interested in why it tends to be women who tend to pick up this particular gauntlet.
Does anyone know what gender is trying to save Enterprise?
Hermaphodites. I dunno. Is someone trying to save it? Why?
Pix - Mar 07, 2005 11:10:22 am PST #5024 of 10001
The status is NOT quo.
I would agree that women are socialized to be better at that type of cooperative goal achievement. I don't think that is really all that related to how nice they actually are; in Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Agression of Girls, there's a lot of discussion of the fact that, as Betsy said, "people is people", but American girls are taught to display their agression in more covert ways.
I think that makes sense in terms of why there is both solid, cooperative achievement and also backchannel infighting. Not a biological explanation, but a sociological one.
Nutty - Mar 07, 2005 11:10:29 am PST #5025 of 10001
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
I suspect that most TV campaigns are primarily female-led because serious TV fandom skews pretty heavily female. The ultimately unsuccessful fan campaign to keep the Browns in Cleveland, OTOH, was heavily male.
§ ita § - Mar 07, 2005 11:11:02 am PST #5026 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
Is someone trying to save it? Why?
They'd raised $3M in pledges last I read.
My unschooled interpretation is that fandoms try to save shows, and that fandoms are primarily female for the shows in questions.
Not fans -- fandoms.
Betsy HP - Mar 07, 2005 11:12:23 am PST #5027 of 10001
If I only had a brain...
Is there a "Save Point Pleasant" campaign?
Topic!Cindy - Mar 07, 2005 11:12:34 am PST #5028 of 10001
What is even happening?
Yeah, but what is female about that? What is done that guys, by virtue of their goolies, couldn't?While trying to stay far far from the earth so that I can't decide who's closest to it, I do not think the only difference (between men and women, generally speaking) is our sex organs. If nothing else, I think we are socialized into some differences, and some of that is probably based on us coping for our general difference in size and strength. There are still some general differences, regardless of the whys. Again, all of this is very generally speaking. On an individual level, any way of relating or accomplishing something that one person might tag as a female strenth, could be countered by an example of a man doing it just as well. There are studies about it though, that women smile more when having impersonal conversations, and I don't know what else.
Xpost--Kristin already said what I was trying to say, and better than I did, what with the actual information, and references.