Willow: You know what they say. The bigger they are... Anya: The faster they stomp you into nothin'.

'The Killer In Me'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


Betsy HP - Jan 26, 2005 10:55:55 am PST #4081 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

Right-o. Also, I, as first wife, at a ripe and shapely 45 (hey, if this is my fantasy, I'm going with it) get first dibs on Tim, Mark, and Sean-if-it's-Bean.

Tim, Mark, and Sean would presumably not have signed on for the whole shebang if they couldn't stand the thought of bedding me.


Topic!Cindy - Jan 26, 2005 11:00:31 am PST #4082 of 10001
What is even happening?

Wow. RH needed some saltpeter.


Strix - Jan 26, 2005 11:04:56 am PST #4083 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

And in TMisHM's Luna, women toally have the power when it comes to sex. There are so few of them, it's ladies-choice, all day, every day.

But grandpa still gets the droit de seigneur.

I understand the whole "propogation is the ultimate biological imperative" argument of RAH's, and for species survival, this is true. I'm just saying that there's more to marriage than biological imperative. And RAH just gets all end-all-and-be-all smug about "women breed, men protect, and if you don't belive this, you're an idiot."


Kat - Jan 26, 2005 11:15:48 am PST #4084 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Wow. you are making me hate Heinlein and I've never even read him.


Strix - Jan 26, 2005 11:16:48 am PST #4085 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

I like lots of Heinlein, I really do, but a lot of things piss me off.


Betsy HP - Jan 26, 2005 11:24:04 am PST #4086 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

The thing is, Heinlein is a product of the turn of the 19th century trying to be sexually progressive. He thinks he's daring because women get to take the initiative and sleep around if they want to. That's racy stuff for 1950. It's just that the century zipped past him.


aurelia - Jan 26, 2005 11:28:31 am PST #4087 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

So, it's sort of a communal "it takes a village" approach with the word marriage and some seniority rules attached?

Does overpopulation as a potential threat to survival ever enter the equation?

(Stipulated: there are individuals, both sexes, who prefer to live alone. This is racially self-correcting.)

It's the word "racially" in this that confuses me. Was he attributing the preference to a racially genetic trait?


Kat - Jan 26, 2005 11:30:53 am PST #4088 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Aurelia, racially, I think is meant not as what race are you, but racially correcting, like correcting within the entire human race.


Betsy HP - Jan 26, 2005 11:30:59 am PST #4089 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

So, it's sort of a communal "it takes a village" approach with the word marriage and some seniority rules attached?

Right. It's a gedankenexperiment. What happens if you do Australia all over again, but this time without the Christianity and with women having the right of sexual refusal? Heinlein's thesis is that you come up with lots of alternate forms of marriage, most of them polygynous.


-t - Jan 26, 2005 11:31:04 am PST #4090 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think he meant racially as in "human race". But I'm guessing.