But if the world doesn't end, I'm gonna need a note.

Cordelia ,'Potential'


The Minearverse 3: The Network Is a Harsh Mistress  

[NAFDA] "There will be an occasional happy, so that it might be crushed under the boot of the writer." From Zorro to Angel (including Wonderfalls and The Inside), this is where Buffistas come to anoint themselves in the bloodbath.


aurelia - Jan 26, 2005 11:28:31 am PST #4087 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

So, it's sort of a communal "it takes a village" approach with the word marriage and some seniority rules attached?

Does overpopulation as a potential threat to survival ever enter the equation?

(Stipulated: there are individuals, both sexes, who prefer to live alone. This is racially self-correcting.)

It's the word "racially" in this that confuses me. Was he attributing the preference to a racially genetic trait?


Kat - Jan 26, 2005 11:30:53 am PST #4088 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo

Aurelia, racially, I think is meant not as what race are you, but racially correcting, like correcting within the entire human race.


Betsy HP - Jan 26, 2005 11:30:59 am PST #4089 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

So, it's sort of a communal "it takes a village" approach with the word marriage and some seniority rules attached?

Right. It's a gedankenexperiment. What happens if you do Australia all over again, but this time without the Christianity and with women having the right of sexual refusal? Heinlein's thesis is that you come up with lots of alternate forms of marriage, most of them polygynous.


-t - Jan 26, 2005 11:31:04 am PST #4090 of 10001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I think he meant racially as in "human race". But I'm guessing.


Strix - Jan 26, 2005 11:37:15 am PST #4091 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Does overpopulation as a potential threat to survival ever enter the equation?

He does a spiel about Mathusian theory in TSbtS, um, and in a lot of his stories, overcrowding is a main reason humans colonize the Moon, and go into space in general. And in I Will Fear No Evil, people get assigned how many kids they're allowed to have.

But he implies that the people who follow the Luna-type marriages are Just Too Smart to overpopulate.

EDIT

MALTHUSIAN theory


Betsy HP - Jan 26, 2005 11:45:16 am PST #4092 of 10001
If I only had a brain...

And in I Will Fear No Evil, people get assigned how many kids they're allowed to have.

Also in Podkayne of Mars. Whose point, according to the unabridged edition, was that Silly Girls Shouldn't Expect To Have It All. I think I'll stick to the abridged edition, ta ever so.


aurelia - Jan 26, 2005 11:53:30 am PST #4093 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

human race

Okay, that makes more sense.


Strix - Jan 26, 2005 12:09:04 pm PST #4094 of 10001
A dress should be tight enough to show you're a woman but loose enough to flee from zombies. — Ginger

Oh, that made me so mad. And I loved the book up to that point.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 26, 2005 12:16:53 pm PST #4095 of 10001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

But he implies that the people who follow the Luna-type marriages are Just Too Smart to overpopulate.

I think it has less to do with being smart and more with helping raise like 20 other people's kids from the minute one joins the daisy chain. Best birth control method, ever.


dcp - Jan 26, 2005 1:15:36 pm PST #4096 of 10001
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

I think Heinlein enjoyed provoking people--provoking them into thinking about things they took for granted, their assumptions, and possible alternatives.

I don't think he necessarily expected his readers to agree with what he wrote. I seem to recall remarks in an essay (I'm not sure if it was by Heinlein or about him) about not mistaking a storyteller's product for his personal opinions, but I can't find the quote.

I think Heinlein wanted readers to think about why they agreed or disagreed.

In TMiaHM he did that with the purpose, form, and function of government on a small scale (the family) and on a large scale (the nation).

There are two quotes that have stuck with me since I first read TMiaHM as a teenager:

"Under what circumstances is it moral for a group to do that which is not moral for a member of that group to do alone?"

and

"Don't reject the idea merely because it seems preposterous--think about it!" [emphasis mine]