I just saw this linked over at TWoP:
AICN's Herc's Top Ten Hourlong Scripted Shows of 2004:
Herc is a huge fan of Angel S5--it's #1 (Lost is 2, Wonderfalls is 3).
Sooner or later, you're gonna want it. And the second — the second — that happens, you know I'll be there. I'll slip in, have myself a real good day.
Spike ,'Conversations with Dead People'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Kathy A - Jan 05, 2005 9:48:50 am PST #2878 of 3531
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil
DavidS - Jan 05, 2005 10:19:40 am PST #2879 of 3531
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Heh. He seems to have a higher opinion of "The Girl In Question" than most folks hereabouts...
including four astonishing five-star episodes: “A Hole in the World” (Fred bids Wes goodbye), Underneath (Hamilton, the new Wolfram & Hart liaison, arrives), “The Girl in Question” (Angel and Spike learn Buffy Summers has moved on) and “Not Fade Away” (Wesley Wyndam-Pryce shuffles off his mortal coil).
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 05, 2005 10:22:09 am PST #2880 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
Well, I appreciate his enthusiasm for the show, but can't imagine how I can share a favorite one with someone who doesn't think "You're Welcome" or "Smile Time" is a classic but does "The Girl in Question."
P.M. Marc - Jan 05, 2005 10:22:31 am PST #2881 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Y'know, none of those were 5 star eps in my book. (ETA: Herc's list)
Frankenbuddha - Jan 05, 2005 10:23:49 am PST #2882 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
Unsurprisingly, I agree with ita and Hec here. Buffy Season 7 kind of spread the suckitude out all over the storyline rather than concentrating it in one character arc. It caused me to feel bored and somewhat sad that the writers couldn't do better, rather than hurt and betrayed that they were destroying something I loved.
Yes, this. I could come up with a better season 7 in my head, even with all the same characters, general plot arc and story beats. The only solution to St. Cordy was not to have it happen.
Or to put it another way, a lot of characters on Buffy got bent, but I didn't think any of them got broken and some bent in intersting ways (some decidedly not). Cordy didn't just get broken, she got eaten to death by rats, her corpse was violated and then flung around the room for a while, and then got chopped into tiny pieces with a rusty penknife.
Hmm, that metaphor went a little off kilter. Oh well.
Matt the Bruins fan - Jan 05, 2005 10:25:24 am PST #2883 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand
I'd give him "Not Fade Away," but the others are run-of-the-mill at best in my book. And TGiQ sucked as much as is possible for an episode without Cordelia mooning sappily over Angel or vice versa.
DavidS - Jan 05, 2005 10:26:30 am PST #2884 of 3531
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Y'know, none of those were 5 star eps in my book. (ETA: Herc's list)
And your 5 star episodes are?
but can't imagine how I can share a favorite one with someone who doesn't think "You're Welcome" or "Smile Time" is a classic but does "The Girl in Question."
The Connor storyline is my favorite - by a long shot - in the last season.
As characters, both Connor and Faith benefitted by moving to a recurring status.
P.M. Marc - Jan 05, 2005 10:27:33 am PST #2885 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I'd give him "Not Fade Away," but the others are run-of-the-mill at best in my book. And TGiQ sucked as much as is possible for an episode without Cordelia mooning sappily over Angel.
I thought NFA was something of a let-down, but then, I feel the same way about The Gift. I think they hit the same meh buttons for me.
P.M. Marc - Jan 05, 2005 10:31:26 am PST #2886 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
And your 5 star episodes are?
Origin and Smile Time, with a couple of 4.5 star eps (You're Welcome and Lineage) coming close behind them.
Vonnie K - Jan 05, 2005 10:32:54 am PST #2887 of 3531
Kiss me, my girl, before I'm sick.
I liked "A Hole in the World", out-of-blue Fred worship and all (the image and the dialog at the Deeper Well, and the scene of Wes reading Little Princess to dying Fred were some of the most evocative things ME has ever put on screen), but I personally thought "Shells", "Smile Time" and "Origin" were way stronger episodes than the ones listed by Hec. Well, maybe I'll give him "Not Fade Away".