Mal ,'Out Of Gas'
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Buffy was never boring, even when it was bad. Angel I found - and this is where I think Lost is going to lose me, btw - monotone. It was always on the same note of despair livened with wackiness. And it rarely connected with real emotional scenarios like Buffy did.
YMMV, very obviously. I found AtS more emotionally real than much of BtVS, esp. the last half of the BtVS run.
I found AtS more emotionally real than much of BtVS, esp. the last half of the BtVS run.
As usual in these matters, Plei is me.
You're a Buffista who thinks Buffy season 1 is the best, right Matt?
Yes, though really I think Season 2 was essentially as good quality-wise and it was just the freshness of Season 1 that made me fonder. Season 3 wasn't far behind, with only the melodrama of the Buffy/Angel romance that had outlived its time striking a sour note.
I guess I see the potentials as a bad idea, Crack!Willow as a brief wrong turn (since her flipping evil was fun), and Saint Cordy a betrayal.
Unsurprisingly, I agree with ita and Hec here. Buffy Season 7 kind of spread the suckitude out all over the storyline rather than concentrating it in one character arc. It caused me to feel bored and somewhat sad that the writers couldn't do better, rather than hurt and betrayed that they were destroying something I loved.
The only real drawback I see is who holds the amulet during the final battle.
Angel. Fulfills all the same dramatic needs, only better. Eliminates the WTF?!?-ness of sending him away from the final battle to prepare a second line rather than maximizing their chances right off the bat. Makes for an interesting summer speculating what's going to happen on his show. Then Angel Season 5 begins with Wesley, Gunn, Fred, and Lorne stuck at Wolfram & Hart trying to salvage their mission and opening the resurrection-gram at the end of the episode. I don't think Spike's absence would have been a bad thing at all, though they would have needed different stories to tell in "Destiny" and "Soul Purpose."
I just saw this linked over at TWoP:
AICN's Herc's Top Ten Hourlong Scripted Shows of 2004:
Herc is a huge fan of Angel S5--it's #1 (Lost is 2, Wonderfalls is 3).
Heh. He seems to have a higher opinion of "The Girl In Question" than most folks hereabouts...
including four astonishing five-star episodes: “A Hole in the World” (Fred bids Wes goodbye), Underneath (Hamilton, the new Wolfram & Hart liaison, arrives), “The Girl in Question” (Angel and Spike learn Buffy Summers has moved on) and “Not Fade Away” (Wesley Wyndam-Pryce shuffles off his mortal coil).
Well, I appreciate his enthusiasm for the show, but can't imagine how I can share a favorite one with someone who doesn't think "You're Welcome" or "Smile Time" is a classic but does "The Girl in Question."
Y'know, none of those were 5 star eps in my book. (ETA: Herc's list)
Unsurprisingly, I agree with ita and Hec here. Buffy Season 7 kind of spread the suckitude out all over the storyline rather than concentrating it in one character arc. It caused me to feel bored and somewhat sad that the writers couldn't do better, rather than hurt and betrayed that they were destroying something I loved.
Yes, this. I could come up with a better season 7 in my head, even with all the same characters, general plot arc and story beats. The only solution to St. Cordy was not to have it happen.
Or to put it another way, a lot of characters on Buffy got bent, but I didn't think any of them got broken and some bent in intersting ways (some decidedly not). Cordy didn't just get broken, she got eaten to death by rats, her corpse was violated and then flung around the room for a while, and then got chopped into tiny pieces with a rusty penknife.
Hmm, that metaphor went a little off kilter. Oh well.
I'd give him "Not Fade Away," but the others are run-of-the-mill at best in my book. And TGiQ sucked as much as is possible for an episode without Cordelia mooning sappily over Angel or vice versa.
Y'know, none of those were 5 star eps in my book. (ETA: Herc's list)
And your 5 star episodes are?
but can't imagine how I can share a favorite one with someone who doesn't think "You're Welcome" or "Smile Time" is a classic but does "The Girl in Question."
The Connor storyline is my favorite - by a long shot - in the last season.
As characters, both Connor and Faith benefitted by moving to a recurring status.