All right, yes, date and shop and hang out and go to school and save the world from unspeakable demons. You know, I wanna do girlie stuff!

Buffy ,'Same Time, Same Place'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


DCJensen - Aug 13, 2004 8:01:47 pm PDT #2115 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.

P.M. Marc - Aug 13, 2004 8:41:14 pm PDT #2116 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm probably one of the few who actually liked Angel and Cordy.

Sheesh. You and SA.

Crazy people! ;)

Seriously. It's one of my few remaining fannish squicks. As in, visceral eewwwwwwwwwwwww. I don't even get that with Buffy/Giles anymore.

(edited to add: sa tries to convince me, so I always counter with the beauty of CoCo, to which she screams and runs from the room. I suspect our pairing arguments are very circular.)

I think I was perhaps overly invested in the beauty of them as just friends. Because fuck, that's rare and wonderful.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 14, 2004 6:51:39 am PDT #2117 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah. Aside from the event horizon of chemistry and St. Cordy issues, the tinkering with a romantic pairing destroyed what I thought was the best friendship on television. It was wonderful that they had no illusions about each other's worst qualities but still had a deep afffection for each other, warts and all.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 14, 2004 6:57:13 am PDT #2118 of 3531
What is even happening?

I think C/A could have worked. When we first started getting hints that the show would go in that direction (season 1 of A:ts, really), I expected it to work.

It did not work for me.


SailAweigh - Aug 14, 2004 6:58:08 am PDT #2119 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I thought was the best friendship on television.

So did I. And that's why I thought it had a chance of moving into a totally adult romantic relationship, unlike the teenage angst of Buffy. To me, an adult relationship is built on a profound friendship. It's why it lasts. Buffy and Angel, as Spike so aptly put it, were never friends. Angel and Cordelia had a chance at something lasting. It was a natural segue from where they were at.

And, as Cindy said, even though it was going there storywise, it didn't work for me on screen.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:01:45 am PDT #2120 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was a natural segue from where they were at.

I thought staying friends was an unnatural segue from there, but mostly in TV world, where everyone gets mixed and matched as much as possible.

I feel the lack of great adult mixed-sex friendships on TV more than I feel the lack of sexual relationships built on friendships.

So I wanted it to stay that way. Also, they acted it better.


Lee - Aug 14, 2004 7:05:07 am PDT #2121 of 3531
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I don't know if I would have minded an Angel/Cordelia romance, but then I never got to see one. Angel/St. Cordy made me want to gag.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:07:21 am PDT #2122 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wish they'd never taught her to fight.


Jessica - Aug 14, 2004 7:35:18 am PDT #2123 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I wish they'd never taught her to fight.

I wish she hadn't gotten so good at it so instantly. I liked it initially since I was always bugged by the fact that it had never occured to Giles or Buffy that Willow and Xander might benefit from some basic self-defense fighting skills.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:42:40 am PDT #2124 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like the idea that you can have a value in the fight against evil without being a ninja. That there was something else to bring to the battle. But no, they were tooling her up to be a worthy champion-mate.

Ick.

At least Lilah never made a habit of the fist fight.