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Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


P.M. Marc - Aug 13, 2004 8:41:14 pm PDT #2116 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm probably one of the few who actually liked Angel and Cordy.

Sheesh. You and SA.

Crazy people! ;)

Seriously. It's one of my few remaining fannish squicks. As in, visceral eewwwwwwwwwwwww. I don't even get that with Buffy/Giles anymore.

(edited to add: sa tries to convince me, so I always counter with the beauty of CoCo, to which she screams and runs from the room. I suspect our pairing arguments are very circular.)

I think I was perhaps overly invested in the beauty of them as just friends. Because fuck, that's rare and wonderful.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 14, 2004 6:51:39 am PDT #2117 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah. Aside from the event horizon of chemistry and St. Cordy issues, the tinkering with a romantic pairing destroyed what I thought was the best friendship on television. It was wonderful that they had no illusions about each other's worst qualities but still had a deep afffection for each other, warts and all.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 14, 2004 6:57:13 am PDT #2118 of 3531
What is even happening?

I think C/A could have worked. When we first started getting hints that the show would go in that direction (season 1 of A:ts, really), I expected it to work.

It did not work for me.


SailAweigh - Aug 14, 2004 6:58:08 am PDT #2119 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I thought was the best friendship on television.

So did I. And that's why I thought it had a chance of moving into a totally adult romantic relationship, unlike the teenage angst of Buffy. To me, an adult relationship is built on a profound friendship. It's why it lasts. Buffy and Angel, as Spike so aptly put it, were never friends. Angel and Cordelia had a chance at something lasting. It was a natural segue from where they were at.

And, as Cindy said, even though it was going there storywise, it didn't work for me on screen.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:01:45 am PDT #2120 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was a natural segue from where they were at.

I thought staying friends was an unnatural segue from there, but mostly in TV world, where everyone gets mixed and matched as much as possible.

I feel the lack of great adult mixed-sex friendships on TV more than I feel the lack of sexual relationships built on friendships.

So I wanted it to stay that way. Also, they acted it better.


Lee - Aug 14, 2004 7:05:07 am PDT #2121 of 3531
The feeling you get when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants.

I don't know if I would have minded an Angel/Cordelia romance, but then I never got to see one. Angel/St. Cordy made me want to gag.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:07:21 am PDT #2122 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I wish they'd never taught her to fight.


Jessica - Aug 14, 2004 7:35:18 am PDT #2123 of 3531
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I wish they'd never taught her to fight.

I wish she hadn't gotten so good at it so instantly. I liked it initially since I was always bugged by the fact that it had never occured to Giles or Buffy that Willow and Xander might benefit from some basic self-defense fighting skills.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:42:40 am PDT #2124 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I like the idea that you can have a value in the fight against evil without being a ninja. That there was something else to bring to the battle. But no, they were tooling her up to be a worthy champion-mate.

Ick.

At least Lilah never made a habit of the fist fight.


Frankenbuddha - Aug 14, 2004 8:24:11 am PDT #2125 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

I think I was perhaps overly invested in the beauty of them as just friends. Because fuck, that's rare and wonderful.

Other than Dax and Sisko, I'm hard pressed to come up with one where they didn't eventually screw it up with romance (AU episode I just saw aside, which looked as squicky to Sisko as it did to me). Maybe Crichton and Chiana? Though they screwed that one up to in a way (a REALLY squicky way).