Lorne: Snakes? Uh-huh. And they came out of your what? Okay. Okay, well, did they get up there themselves or is this part of a, you know, a thing? No, I'm not judging...Do we fight snakes? Angel: Only if they're giant. Or demons. Or giant demons. Are they giant demon snakes? Lorne: Well, unless this guy's 30 feet tall, I'm thinking they're of the garden variety.

'Lineage'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

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SailAweigh - Aug 13, 2004 4:46:52 pm PDT #2111 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

It's probably just me. While I thought CC could look incredibly sexy, I just felt she couldn't sell the feeling. Some of that may have been because DB is the same. He's smoldering hunk, but he didn't seem to have any chemistry with any of the females on the show. Maybe I just missed out on the brunette oost all around. Most people hated "She", yet I thought there was more chemistry between Angel and Jhiera than Angel and Buffy, ever.


Kathy A - Aug 13, 2004 4:53:10 pm PDT #2112 of 3531
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

I thought he had decent chemistry with Darla in Season 2, but then Julie Benz has good chemistry with lots of actors, especially CK.


SailAweigh - Aug 13, 2004 5:02:20 pm PDT #2113 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I think Julie Benz is the female equivalent of James Marsters. She'd have chemistry with a BBOC. Although, I thought her most compelling performance was her manifestation to Connor in season 4. I think it was the only episode where she wasn't trying to sell sex. And she did a wonderful job selling her love as a mother to Connor, it was compelling and heartwrenching.


Gris - Aug 13, 2004 7:40:30 pm PDT #2114 of 3531
Hey. New board.

You know what would be hot? Julie Benz and James Marsters.

There might well be chemical burns.


DCJensen - Aug 13, 2004 8:01:47 pm PDT #2115 of 3531
All is well that ends in pizza.

P.M. Marc - Aug 13, 2004 8:41:14 pm PDT #2116 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm probably one of the few who actually liked Angel and Cordy.

Sheesh. You and SA.

Crazy people! ;)

Seriously. It's one of my few remaining fannish squicks. As in, visceral eewwwwwwwwwwwww. I don't even get that with Buffy/Giles anymore.

(edited to add: sa tries to convince me, so I always counter with the beauty of CoCo, to which she screams and runs from the room. I suspect our pairing arguments are very circular.)

I think I was perhaps overly invested in the beauty of them as just friends. Because fuck, that's rare and wonderful.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 14, 2004 6:51:39 am PDT #2117 of 3531
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yeah. Aside from the event horizon of chemistry and St. Cordy issues, the tinkering with a romantic pairing destroyed what I thought was the best friendship on television. It was wonderful that they had no illusions about each other's worst qualities but still had a deep afffection for each other, warts and all.


Topic!Cindy - Aug 14, 2004 6:57:13 am PDT #2118 of 3531
What is even happening?

I think C/A could have worked. When we first started getting hints that the show would go in that direction (season 1 of A:ts, really), I expected it to work.

It did not work for me.


SailAweigh - Aug 14, 2004 6:58:08 am PDT #2119 of 3531
Nana korobi, ya oki. (Fall down seven times, stand up eight.) ~Yuzuru Hanyu/Japanese proverb

I thought was the best friendship on television.

So did I. And that's why I thought it had a chance of moving into a totally adult romantic relationship, unlike the teenage angst of Buffy. To me, an adult relationship is built on a profound friendship. It's why it lasts. Buffy and Angel, as Spike so aptly put it, were never friends. Angel and Cordelia had a chance at something lasting. It was a natural segue from where they were at.

And, as Cindy said, even though it was going there storywise, it didn't work for me on screen.


§ ita § - Aug 14, 2004 7:01:45 am PDT #2120 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

It was a natural segue from where they were at.

I thought staying friends was an unnatural segue from there, but mostly in TV world, where everyone gets mixed and matched as much as possible.

I feel the lack of great adult mixed-sex friendships on TV more than I feel the lack of sexual relationships built on friendships.

So I wanted it to stay that way. Also, they acted it better.