I completely agree, Narrator. That's sort of where I was trying to go with my piece. They did their best, and sometimes their best wasn't only wrong, it was evil, but...Well, if Spike is love's bitch, Angel is fate's bitch. Has anyone here mentioned how often Liam/Angel has met his destiny in an alleyway?
Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.
Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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Topic!Cindy - May 21, 2004 10:47:41 am PDT #1271 of 3531
What is even happening?
Polter-Cow - May 21, 2004 10:47:44 am PDT #1272 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Yeah, be careful. If I recall correctly, she threw it at the Indian guy.
-t - May 21, 2004 10:48:23 am PDT #1273 of 3531
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
But maybe more important is that by restoring Connor's memories he gave Angel back his son.
Okay, that light just went on my head. Nice full circle of the Wes-Angel-Connor relationship. And the second betrayal mitigates the effects of the first. Nifty.
Nutty - May 21, 2004 10:52:20 am PDT #1274 of 3531
"Mister Spock is on his fanny, sir. Reports heavy damage."
Spike is love's bitch, Angel is fate's bitch.
(lightbulb!) You know, this is why I just don't like Angel as a character. Be your own bitch, sure, fine, but don't be the bitch of The Writer Told Me To.
I think I could have liked the whole show better if it hadn't felt so arbitrarily fateful.
-t - May 21, 2004 10:52:43 am PDT #1275 of 3531
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration
serial:
Well, if Spike is love's bitch, Angel is fate's bitch.
Amen, sister!
Has anyone here mentioned how often Liam/Angel has met his destiny in an alleyway?
I certainly thought it while watching, but I don't think I've said anything. Actual thought was something along the lines of "Ah, the alley. We always end up back in the alley sooner or later". Made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
§ ita § - May 21, 2004 10:54:10 am PDT #1276 of 3531
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
it hadn't felt so arbitrarily fateful.
Do you buy into the prophecy idea in fiction in general?
Polter-Cow - May 21, 2004 10:54:57 am PDT #1277 of 3531
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
Actual thought was something along the lines of "Ah, the alley. We always end up back in the alley sooner or later". Made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
I wonder if Liam was born in an alley.
P.M. Marc - May 21, 2004 10:55:10 am PDT #1278 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I certainly thought it while watching, but I don't think I've said anything. Actual thought was something along the lines of "Ah, the alley. We always end up back in the alley sooner or later" and felt all warm and fuzzy.
The whole thing, as I told Micole elsewhere, was very visual to me. Wesley dying at Vail's (where his memories returned), everything ending in an alley, Connor in W&H as it falls around him... there is *more*, of course, which I'll have to rewatch and take notes for. Those ones, however, stand out.
Narrator - May 21, 2004 10:55:11 am PDT #1279 of 3531
The evil is this way?
Deleting double post.
Narrator - May 21, 2004 10:55:25 am PDT #1280 of 3531
The evil is this way?
Has anyone here mentioned how often Liam/Angel has met his destiny in an alleyway?
Especially a rainy one. At first I was wondering if the alley scene was because Hyperion set wasn't available anymore. Then I thought it was because of the rain. Faith's big emotional turning point was in a rain-soaked alley. Connor was born and Darla died in a rain-soaked alley. I bet if they had a chance to go back and reshoot the scene, it would have been raining in the alley in Ireland when Darla turned Angel.