Simon ,'Objects In Space'
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But maybe more important is that by restoring Connor's memories he gave Angel back his son.
Okay, that light just went on my head. Nice full circle of the Wes-Angel-Connor relationship. And the second betrayal mitigates the effects of the first. Nifty.
Spike is love's bitch, Angel is fate's bitch.
(lightbulb!) You know, this is why I just don't like Angel as a character. Be your own bitch, sure, fine, but don't be the bitch of The Writer Told Me To.
I think I could have liked the whole show better if it hadn't felt so arbitrarily fateful.
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Well, if Spike is love's bitch, Angel is fate's bitch.
Amen, sister!
Has anyone here mentioned how often Liam/Angel has met his destiny in an alleyway?
I certainly thought it while watching, but I don't think I've said anything. Actual thought was something along the lines of "Ah, the alley. We always end up back in the alley sooner or later". Made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
it hadn't felt so arbitrarily fateful.
Do you buy into the prophecy idea in fiction in general?
Actual thought was something along the lines of "Ah, the alley. We always end up back in the alley sooner or later". Made me feel all warm and fuzzy.
I wonder if Liam was born in an alley.
I certainly thought it while watching, but I don't think I've said anything. Actual thought was something along the lines of "Ah, the alley. We always end up back in the alley sooner or later" and felt all warm and fuzzy.
The whole thing, as I told Micole elsewhere, was very visual to me. Wesley dying at Vail's (where his memories returned), everything ending in an alley, Connor in W&H as it falls around him... there is *more*, of course, which I'll have to rewatch and take notes for. Those ones, however, stand out.
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Has anyone here mentioned how often Liam/Angel has met his destiny in an alleyway?
Especially a rainy one. At first I was wondering if the alley scene was because Hyperion set wasn't available anymore. Then I thought it was because of the rain. Faith's big emotional turning point was in a rain-soaked alley. Connor was born and Darla died in a rain-soaked alley. I bet if they had a chance to go back and reshoot the scene, it would have been raining in the alley in Ireland when Darla turned Angel.
Do you buy into the prophecy idea in fiction in general?
No. Actually I hate it most times, as in, say, Megan Whalen Turner's The Thief of Attolia.
People, people, people. If you're gonna be in a dark alley, surely it's got to be raining. It always rains at night in drama-land, didn't you know?
I totally called the alley imagery in my first post afterwords.
I suppose there's room for a discussion of what alleys are, what they mean, why it's important that the show end in an alley, outside the civilized spaces. But yeah: Angel's vamping, Darla's death, Faith's moment of despair, the business in Orpheus, the first meeting with Buffy, the rise of the BRS: all in alleys.
(Nitpick for Nutty: It's Queen of Attolia. The Thief, which I liked rather more, was the first one.)