You know, I've saved lives. Dozens. Maybe hundreds. I reattached a girl's leg. Her whole leg. She named her hamster after me. I got a hamster. He drops a box of money, he gets a town.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Hayden - May 21, 2004 9:53:00 am PDT #1248 of 3531
aka "The artist formerly known as Corwood Industries."

Living in hayden's brain, am i.

Hey, I thought I was living in yours!

And I'm definitely in the heartless asshole corner on the cancellation, although I prefer to think of it as the stoic & realistic corner.

Maybe it is the same one or two pieces being rehashed in many a place, Gandalfe, but the fact is that Joss is a grown-up. He should know that he got a pretty good deal, all in all. Most writers would kill to have what he's had; it's unprofessional of him to bitch to the media.

That said, I understand why he did so, and I'd probably be a slobbering mess if I'd had to see so much of my work end under unfortunate circumstances. But I would hope to keep my suffering a bit more private. Every time Joss drags someone's name through the mud, there's a bit more of a possibility that he won't get to create another TV show. He should rise above & let the fans do the mudslinging.


Gandalfe - May 21, 2004 9:54:57 am PDT #1249 of 3531
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

We said goodbye to her in Chosen. I felt a bit angry at the concept of using her as a bone for the vampires to fight over. She's my girl, yo. Leave her be.

I can go with that. I don't know that Angel had any more need to say goodbye to her, nor did Spike. I mean, I see what they were trying to do, even if I don't think it was necessary, but if yiou're going to do that, do it RIGHT, you know?


Lilty Cash - May 21, 2004 9:58:00 am PDT #1250 of 3531
"You see? THAT's what they want. Love, and a bit with a dog."

I don't know that Angel had any more need to say goodbye to her, nor did Spike

I agree with all of this. I am actually content with the way this show wrapped up, and there's not a ton that I'd change. Except for the part with it ending. That I could do without.

But I will forever want just one "Hey Spike, you're not dead. Thanks for saving the world." out of Buffy. Just an acknowledgement would be nice.


victor infante - May 21, 2004 9:59:18 am PDT #1251 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

And that's why he doesn't stake Harmony - he still has hope for her, despite everything. No time to help her right now, but hope.

You know why Angel didn't stake Harmony? Because it would have been a distraction from the REALLY! TOUGH! BAD GUY! who was coming for him just then.

IJS.


Allyson - May 21, 2004 10:01:14 am PDT #1252 of 3531
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

IJS.

Then why write a letter of recommendation?


victor infante - May 21, 2004 10:03:34 am PDT #1253 of 3531
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Then why write a letter of recommendation?

Huh. Fair point. Guess he had to have SOME contingency plan in case she comes through.

Eh, maybe I'm wrong.


Topic!Cindy - May 21, 2004 10:04:11 am PDT #1254 of 3531
What is even happening?

Maybe it is the same one or two pieces being rehashed in many a place, Gandalfe, but the fact is that Joss is a grown-up. He should know that he got a pretty good deal, all in all. Most writers would kill to have what he's had; it's unprofessional of him to bitch to the media.

He does, and acknowledges that in pieces that make the rounds, too. The bitter ones are just the ones that seem to cause discussion. I read something this morning, where he sounded appreciative of Levin in particular. When the cancelation was announced, he made appreciative noises that he got enough notice time to take it out the way he wanted to.


Thomash - May 21, 2004 10:05:09 am PDT #1255 of 3531
I have a plan.

Then why write a letter of recommendation?

He was thinking ahead for when he would have that talk with Harmony. Very Joss-vian humor to me.


Wolfram - May 21, 2004 10:05:26 am PDT #1256 of 3531
Visilurking

Most writers would kill to have what he's had; it's unprofessional of him to bitch to the media.

FTR, I've seen some writers really bitch and moan in the media, and Joss hasn't even come close. I don't think he's burning bridges when he tactfully says it like it is.


joe boucher - May 21, 2004 10:08:42 am PDT #1257 of 3531
I knew that topless lady had something up her sleeve. - John Prine

I'm not happy about the cancellation, but I wouldn't say I'm mad at the WB. Still, the "your friends at the WB" thing rankled because I don't think the show was well-treated over the years. It wasn't cancelled, and I'm grateful for that, but it seemed to get the same treatment that Newsradio got from NBC. How often can a network expect a show's fans to follow it around the schedule? I'll always think of Angel as a Tuesday show because of the Buffy connection, but in five years it was on four different nights. On Monday it was part of one of the strangest pairings in television history (Seventh Heaven lead-in), and on Sundays and Wednesdays it was against shows that were popular with Buffy and Angel fans (Alias and Malcolm on Sunday, West Wing and the OC on Wednesday). Inept scheduling? Deliberately shooting themselves in the foot? I don't know and I don't care that much, because I'm happy to have had five years of a great show. But "your friends" seemed really disingenuous. Last week in Spoilers the Partyman commented on how odd the preview's "the WB series finale" seemed, and I responded:

I've always thought that the bad feelings between the WB and ME arising from the contentious Buffy negotiations that ended with it moving to UPN got taken out on Angel. The way it kept getting moved around, the lack of promotion, not re-airing eps, etc. So I saw "the WB Series Finale" as a final slap: "Bye. Have fun on your new netw... oh, that's right, you don't have a new network." Of course I have no solid evidence to back that up. Just seemed that way.

Still feel that way, still have no evidence to back it up. The only thing I'd change is that the "friends" had one dig left. YWBFMV.