Well, this was total crap
Don't mind the eye. It's a Toronto listings rag whose writers like to think they're cooler than the other kids.
edit context is good, writers write, papers publish
Come on. You drop by for a cup of coffee, and the world's not ending? Please.
Connor ,'Not Fade Away'
Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?
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thegrommit - May 20, 2004 1:55:08 pm PDT #1139 of 3531
Um.
Consuela - May 20, 2004 1:59:03 pm PDT #1140 of 3531
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
In other words, the heroes of Firefly kind of came off like jihadists fighting American imperialism, for good or ill.
Um. Yeah, right.
t rolls eyes so hard they fall out of head and bounce off keyboard
bon bon - May 20, 2004 2:01:10 pm PDT #1141 of 3531
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Notably the author of that piece had reams of published articles going back a few years. Every single one of them was on music, none on any other kind of media interpretation (based on my quick scan).
But we all know it's a stupidly unsupported argument and shouldn't be given the time of day. (I don't think I've heard "in other words" and related segues so poorly used in my life.)
Allyson - May 20, 2004 2:13:00 pm PDT #1142 of 3531
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica
But we all know it's a stupidly unsupported argument and shouldn't be given the time of day.
Unless one wants to throw rocks at the stupid. And I'm in need of exercise, so, there's that.
Scrutinizer - May 20, 2004 2:14:31 pm PDT #1143 of 3531
I've lived to bury my desires,/And see my dreams corrode with rust;/Now all that left are fruitless fires/That burn my empty heart to dust.
My favorite was:
Whedon's final message is clear: the ends don't justify the means.
Was the author of that dreck awake during the last two episodes?
Betsy HP - May 20, 2004 2:25:12 pm PDT #1144 of 3531
If I only had a brain...
t picks up Suela's eyeballs, dusts them off, inserts them back in her head
Maytree - May 20, 2004 3:19:51 pm PDT #1145 of 3531
I try to love my neighbor as myself. Unfortunately, I have a lot of self-loathing.
I've seen several comments that the finale of Angel could lead into the "Fray" universe. Unfortunately I never read the comics, and a quick Googling turned up only half a dozen not very useful websites.
I guess I'll spoiler this in case Fray counts a spoiler material: I get that Melaka Fray is a Slayer in the 26th century and that something's happened to most of the vampire/demon population, but is there anything more about this universe I should know to see the tie-ins? I know the Fray axe appeared in Chosen.
What else of import was shown/revealed/hinted at in the comics?
Gris - May 20, 2004 3:34:46 pm PDT #1146 of 3531
Hey. New board.
Maytree:
The history of Fray is this: many years ago (post-Buffy, pre-Fray by a lot) there were demons on the earth with humans, and the slayer defended against them. Finally, there was a great battle, with a great slayer and her friends defending the earth. When the dust cleared, the slayer and humans had won, and the demons were all banished forever. The Watchers council stopped training slayers, because they decided that without demons (including vampires) there was no point, but watched the world with fear, waiting for the vampires to return. The world gets all crappy through purely-human interaction, there appears to be some nuclear war involved, and many hundreds of years later the vampires come back.
Melaka Fray fights them. With the help of a demon. Because the Watcher's council has gone all insane.
This could easily be the start of that great war. For that to happen, Buffy would need to drop in, probably bringing along the Watcher's Council, and join the MoG for the fight. And fight. And fight.
It was kind of implied (I thought) that Buffy was the one that fought that war, because of the whole "with select friends" thing, so that makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe a Buffy movie will eventually show us.
ETA: Also, you should read the heck out of that comic. Everybody interested in the Buffyverse and Joss should. It's real good.
Maytree - May 20, 2004 3:41:38 pm PDT #1147 of 3531
I try to love my neighbor as myself. Unfortunately, I have a lot of self-loathing.
Thanks, NovaChild. I doubt I'll get the comics because I'm a recovering comic-aholic and I'm afraid of what could happen if I wandered into a comic book store again after several years of being clean and sober, so I needed the summary.
This part: Because the Watcher's council has gone all insane.
...Seems pretty inevitable. I mean, were they ever sane in the first place?
And who sent those cyber-ninjas in Lineage anyway?
Frankenbuddha - May 20, 2004 3:43:22 pm PDT #1148 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
OK, I made a semi-jestful comment (given that we seem to be turning into the Batistas) about Illyria surviving and deciding to fight the good fight using Fred as a disguise. And then, the more I thought about it, the more I thought: Hmmm, they had the idea of a Spike/Faith spinoff - how about a Fredyllia/Spike spinoff as the travel the country battling what they have to (not even necessarily good or evil)? I mean, it's probably the monkey crack talking, but I could see that working. Spike would be her pet vampire, who teaches her, in his unique way, what it means to be "human". It would even be a fun way to bring other ME characters in for guest appearences.
It's DEFINITELY the monkey crack talking, right?