Wash: Mal, your dead army buddy's on the bridge! Zoe: He ain't dead. Wash: Oh.

'The Message'


Angel 5: Is That It? Am I Done?  

[NAFDA] This is where we talk about the show! Anything that's aired in the US (including promos) is fair game. No spoilers though -- if you post one by accident, an admin will delete it.


Gris - May 20, 2004 3:34:46 pm PDT #1146 of 3531
Hey. New board.

Maytree:

The history of Fray is this: many years ago (post-Buffy, pre-Fray by a lot) there were demons on the earth with humans, and the slayer defended against them. Finally, there was a great battle, with a great slayer and her friends defending the earth. When the dust cleared, the slayer and humans had won, and the demons were all banished forever. The Watchers council stopped training slayers, because they decided that without demons (including vampires) there was no point, but watched the world with fear, waiting for the vampires to return. The world gets all crappy through purely-human interaction, there appears to be some nuclear war involved, and many hundreds of years later the vampires come back.

Melaka Fray fights them. With the help of a demon. Because the Watcher's council has gone all insane.

This could easily be the start of that great war. For that to happen, Buffy would need to drop in, probably bringing along the Watcher's Council, and join the MoG for the fight. And fight. And fight.

It was kind of implied (I thought) that Buffy was the one that fought that war, because of the whole "with select friends" thing, so that makes a lot of sense to me. Maybe a Buffy movie will eventually show us.

ETA: Also, you should read the heck out of that comic. Everybody interested in the Buffyverse and Joss should. It's real good.


Maytree - May 20, 2004 3:41:38 pm PDT #1147 of 3531
I try to love my neighbor as myself. Unfortunately, I have a lot of self-loathing.

Thanks, NovaChild. I doubt I'll get the comics because I'm a recovering comic-aholic and I'm afraid of what could happen if I wandered into a comic book store again after several years of being clean and sober, so I needed the summary.

This part: Because the Watcher's council has gone all insane.

...Seems pretty inevitable. I mean, were they ever sane in the first place?

And who sent those cyber-ninjas in Lineage anyway?


Frankenbuddha - May 20, 2004 3:43:22 pm PDT #1148 of 3531
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"

OK, I made a semi-jestful comment (given that we seem to be turning into the Batistas) about Illyria surviving and deciding to fight the good fight using Fred as a disguise. And then, the more I thought about it, the more I thought: Hmmm, they had the idea of a Spike/Faith spinoff - how about a Fredyllia/Spike spinoff as the travel the country battling what they have to (not even necessarily good or evil)? I mean, it's probably the monkey crack talking, but I could see that working. Spike would be her pet vampire, who teaches her, in his unique way, what it means to be "human". It would even be a fun way to bring other ME characters in for guest appearences.

It's DEFINITELY the monkey crack talking, right?


Gris - May 20, 2004 3:44:29 pm PDT #1149 of 3531
Hey. New board.

Re: Fray Well, the only watcher in the comic sets himself on fire immediately upon discovering the slayer. Mumbling "you are the chosen one."

Read it anyway. IJS. It's not like other comics. It's JOSS!


tommyrot - May 20, 2004 3:45:45 pm PDT #1150 of 3531
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

And who sent those cyber-ninjas in Lineage anyway?

Sent from the Future that Will Never Be by The Circle of Season Six.


P.M. Marc - May 20, 2004 3:46:51 pm PDT #1151 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

I'm afraid of what could happen if I wandered into a comic book store again after several years of being clean and sober, so I needed the summary.

t sheepishly waves hands

Bad things.


Gandalfe - May 20, 2004 3:56:57 pm PDT #1152 of 3531
The generation that could change the world is still looking for its car keys.

It's DEFINITELY the monkey crack talking, right?

I like it better with Faith. I dunno, with Illyria, it could just get really, really preachy. But cool nonetheless, since Illyria=HOT.


Maytree - May 20, 2004 3:58:44 pm PDT #1153 of 3531
I try to love my neighbor as myself. Unfortunately, I have a lot of self-loathing.

Read it anyway. IJS. It's not like other comics. It's JOSS!

This just makes the potential for backsliding worse. Because if it's good, then I'll want to poke around and see who ELSE might be doing good stuff these days, and I'll find much swill and a few gems, and I'll spend much time seeking out the gems and....it'll just end ugly. Me in the gutter with a brown paper bag full of crappy comics.

If you are a good person, you will not sell me another comic.

(You want to come play City of Heroes with me, though, I'm on server -- what else -- "Champion" :)


P.M. Marc - May 20, 2004 4:02:18 pm PDT #1154 of 3531
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Because if it's good, then I'll want to poke around and see who ELSE might be doing good stuff these days,

Winick, Grayson, Simone, Rucka.


Maria - May 20, 2004 4:24:02 pm PDT #1155 of 3531
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

The ending - I didn't love it, but I can accept it. Because it wasn't a cop-out. But I can tell you how it ends. The fight gets interrupted. Maybe the SPs realize they can't unleash umpteen thousand bad dudes on the world without killing the underlying project. Otherwise they'd have released their baddies before. So they suck them back into the hole (like the Gift). Maybe the PTB send their minions to protect them (because the SPs are no longer playing "fair"), or maybe Connor shows up again and asspulls them all to safety. The point is, there's no way they win that battle (without a super-dooper amulet), and there's no way they go down in a blaze of glory either. They'll survive.

Wolfram, I love this premise. I'm not ready to let these people go, and this seems reasonable, for lack of a better word. It's all based on the show's lore. Now if someone could figure out a way to wank Wesley back to life, I'd be happy.

I still haven't processed that last night was the end. I want to watch it again, but I don't know if I can. What am I saying? Of course I will. Pain is my friend, and Joss knows how to dish it up in the exact quantities guaranteed to hurt the worst.