Megan, with the difference of there not being a 6-month moritorum on the issue. So if it doesn't meet quorum it isn't resolved. It's still open for discussion.
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'Never Leave Me'
Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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Kat - Jul 17, 2007 8:54:01 am PDT #9972 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Jon B. - Jul 17, 2007 8:54:05 am PDT #9973 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
>Because: most items have passed, but wouldn't have if a quorum hadn't been reached
OK, I just checked the last six votes we've had, going back to August 2006.
- Close Veronica Mars
- Original Cable Programming thread
- Non-Fiction TV thread
- Temporary Experimental TV threads
- Heroes thread
- Premium Cable thread
In EVERY case, the main item on the ballot would have passed with a quorum even if the NP votes were excluded. In a couple of cases, the secondary items on the ballot (e.g. white-font rules), would not have reached a quorum, but (in my opinion), those are exactly the sorts of decisions where a NP vote makes total sense. For example, you want to close the Veronica Mars thread, but don't particualrly care whether it happens today or in the fall.
Sophia Brooks - Jul 17, 2007 8:59:04 am PDT #9974 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
What has happened instead is that a small number of loud people are still skewing it because the rest of us can't be arsed to form an opinion and we vote NP just to make the issue resolve.
I really think we should look into root causes and possible solutions if buffistas feel this way. That is, is it a perception issue, is it a new issue caused by people not understanding no preference in context, is that we are sick of all sorts of voting and just vote because of the moratorium, or many other reasons why people feel that way? Once we get to the bottom of that, we can make solutuions.
My personal experience is that I skip the vote if I just really, really don't care and that I vote no preference when I want the majority to get what they want. I understand that other people have different no preference experiences.
Frankenbuddha - Jul 17, 2007 9:00:23 am PDT #9975 of 10001
"We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town...Beep! Beep!" - David Bowie, "Fashion"
...and we are quickly running out of blah-blah space here.
Go Mr. Rogers. Choose Mr. Rogers.
Jon B. - Jul 17, 2007 9:02:54 am PDT #9976 of 10001
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!
Given that I've just PROVEN that NP votes have not affected the outcome of our votes, can we get back to naming the new thread?
Go Mr. Rogers. Choose Mr. Rogers.
What Frank said.
megan walker - Jul 17, 2007 9:02:59 am PDT #9977 of 10001
"What kind of magical sunshine and lollipop world do you live in? Because you need to be medicated."-SFist
Megan, with the difference of there not being a 6-month moritorum on the issue. So if it doesn't meet quorum it isn't resolved. It's still open for discussion.
Yeah, I guess that's a pretty big difference. So, are the people who think there are too many "yes" results because of NP, hoping to force more people into voting an opinion, or hoping for more "no" results from abstaining (and presumably more discussion of the issue)?
Sophia Brooks - Jul 17, 2007 9:04:46 am PDT #9978 of 10001
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here
I like Job (for the thread name).
Polter-Cow - Jul 17, 2007 9:05:30 am PDT #9979 of 10001
What else besides ramen can you scoop? YOU CAN SCOOP THIS WORLD FROM DARKNESS!
I'm not entirely sure I get it. Is it just because we're all so oppressed?
Kat - Jul 17, 2007 9:05:34 am PDT #9980 of 10001
"I keep to a strict diet of ill-advised enthusiasm and heartfelt regret." Leigh Bardugo
Looking at Jon's list, all of those threads are about how TV is handled. Since 2006 that's ALL we have voted on? So, yes, I think I personally am tired of voting about TV threads and since that it all we have voted on in over a year, it seems tiresome and like overkill.
Moreover, to say it's the secondary issues that get NP and that is what is designed for doesn't work for me either. Whitefont is a perfect example. People who are about it seem to care about it passionately and it means that they may or may not want a thread based on its whitefontness or lack thereof.
bon bon - Jul 17, 2007 9:06:50 am PDT #9981 of 10001
It's five thousand for kissing, ten thousand for snuggling... End of list.
Given that I've just PROVEN that NP votes have not affected the outcome of our votes, can we get back to naming the new thread?
In fairness, two of the six hit 42, and one has to accept your contention that the subissues were less important-- because several of them have yes/no votes below 42. For example, closing VM was not controversial, but I remember being annoyed that NP carried the day on leaving it open for awhile.