I'd definitely be in favor of expanding Premium to include all cable -- in terms of the experiment, Cable Drama did not, IMO, generate enough traffic on its own to justify a new thread.

There's a few things I'm thinking and/or wondering about as I read this discussion. I'm just going to make note of them in no particular order.

• As several people have noted, we don't have to provide for every show we want to discuss in one big proposal.

• Are there any shows that seem to generate enough discussion for a single-show thread, and which would probably work best in a single-show thread?

• Were there any shows that seemed like a natural pairing (or triple, quad, etc)?

• Where did the divisions fail? For example, SA mentioned she thought TDS and TCR would have worked better in Comedy than in Non-Fiction. Did anyone want to mention parts that didn't work for them?

My druther: If we create any new threads and any of them end up being NAFDA bucket threads, I would like to see us clearly note which shows are being discussed, so people don't spoil themselves by accident, but I'd also like to provide room for test driving new shows. In other words, if some new show pleasantly surprised us, we could discuss it in white font (with clear labels) in that bucket thread where it seemed to fit, before coming over to here/Lightbulbs and changing the world. That way we could see if there are clear, bright lines, before we start having the argument about whether or not the lines are clear and bright.

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My second druther: I hope we don't thread nanny people's TV discussions out of Natter. I hate that people were left feeling like they couldn't discuss TV in Natter during the experiment.

I hope we don't thread nanny people's TV discussions out of Natter. I hate that people were left feeling like they couldn't discuss TV in Natter during the experiment.

And this is me. I mean, this is how I feel. Because of this, the feel of natter has shifted for me. But I've mentioned it before and, while others feel similarly that it has changed natter, it doesn't seem to phase most of the community and many seem to not to take it into consideration at all.

That being said, my objections don't particulalry matter given the juggernaut of support. But I am posting them because inexplicably it seems important to me to note that not everyone thought the experiment went so well.

For example, SA mentioned she thought TDS and TCR would have worked better in Comedy than in Non-Fiction.

Would have? I know this came up, and I thought it was pretty clear that that was the consensus anyway. But I am finding my perceptions on a number of things in this discussion aren't universal. Who knew?

In other words, if some new show pleasantly surprised us, we could discuss it in white font (with clear labels) in that bucket thread where it seemed to fit, before coming over to here/Lightbulbs and changing the world.

Not in Natter? I don't think different whitefont rules within a thread for different shows is really workable. Hmmm. If we ended up with, say, Network Drama as is (meaning no more specific than that), I'd expect there to be discussion in the thread of whatever new show was coming up with whatever the wf standard for that thread is. I'd also expect to see it in whitefont in Natter. I personally don't have a problem with that, but I speak only for me.

If we do end up discussing things in more than one place, then I would want an absolute max of 24 hours whitefont in the dedicated thread, if we decide we want it at all.

Actually, to continue on with the whitefont question. Part of the reason I like the 24 hours rule is that if you are time-shifted, and like a lot of us Tivoers, aren't even terribly clear on how much, the 24 hours can give you a heads-up before you get spoiled.

Any longer than that seems to me like it would a) hamper discussion some and b) not actually be helpful to longer-range timeshifters anyway. The discussion part I think would be minor, so I don't think it's a major issue on its own. But if it's not going to even solve anyone's thread issues, that's a bigger issue to me.

I'd like to try to get down to some of the nitty-gritty and pull out whatever data we did manage to build, along side the broader questions. Initial thoughts:

Non-fic seemed to work very well. Discussion was enhanced, and no white-font seemed to work out. That's what I'm mostly hearing anyway - dissenters? Please speak up.

Network Drama shows that seemed to come up (and provoke sustained discussion most: Bones, House, GA, CSI to a lesser extent. GA seemed to manage dual-thread discussion pretty well, from my perspective. What else? Talk about things I don't watch didn't stick with me so much, so I know I'm missing some. Are there examples of specific ND shows that didn't work so well?

not to mention you could argue it in the face of any show we talk about. I don't see why premium shows should get special treatment.

I think that basic (or basic extended, depending on your location) is the norm, whereas most people don't have pay channels, and Netflix. I am quite possibly wrong about this. I have this perception that everyone is as cheap as I am :)

That's a stronger argument, to be sure. (Which isn't to say that the "someday" argument hasn't been made about shows not part of Premium. ) But it's tough to know where to go with that - it seems to either require tons of whitefont or shunt discussion off into a corner.

I feel like I'm being a bitch here - I'm a spoilerphobe from way back, and I still am with some things. But I do feel like we can't have the same level of insulation on everything that's out there, and my instinct is leaning more and more toward the free-for-all end.

(FTR, my own "someday" shows include SPN, the Wire, the Shield, Life on Mars, and a handful of others.)

Because of this, the feel of natter has shifted for me.

I agree with this. I was fine discussing TV in the TV threads while the experiment lasted, but I wasn't a fan of how they affected Natter.

I've said before that even sans thread-nannying, I don't think it's practical to expect multiple threads to support real discussions of the same shows. It doesn't matter how nice we all are to each other about it -- intentionally or not, creating topical threads effectively takes those topics out of Natter.

Since people have stated things they find less than optimal for their personal use, let me just mention whitefont for ahemmed shows I'm unlikely to ever see unless and until they're aired. It puts me off the same amount as reams of whitefont in Natter after the OC or GA or any of the reality shows I don't follow or care about.

This experience can't be tailored for every user's ideal. I think the experimental threads worked amazingly well, if for no other reason than I didn't have to wade through whitefont or posts about SYTYCD or TAR or WTFE. But that's just me, you understand. Although I do believe the experimental threads worked well enough to make them permanent, possibly with a little adjusting before they go live, as it were.

I agree wholeheartedly on an early deadline for whitefont, no matter the show, and honestly I'd be happier the earlier that deadline is. I don't have a problem not clicking on the whitefont, but pages of it just make me grit my teeth. I have less of a problem skimming and skipping visible posts about shows I haven't seen, to get to posts about shows I have seen and want to discuss. But again, that's my user experience. As always, YUXMV.

I'm not expecting my opnion to sway anybody or to carry any weight. I just thought it was worth putting it out there.

I didn't use the experimental threads much because my time was limited during their duration and I didn't sub to them. And yet, I have opinions!

Whitefont in tv threads bugs me, while whitefont in Natter amuses me. For me the tv threads are fun for watch 'n post and the discussion immediately following a show. Whitefont messes with that function. It is fine with me for people to have a bucket thread for their shows but I will likely make random whitefont comments in Natter for shows not in Boxed Set or individual show threads.

We all have our own way we use the board and generally I like to limit the threads to a number that I can use Read New. Only on the weekends to I get an opportunity to check out the other threads.

And with that I will leave the discussion of the potential future of new bucket threads to those that found them useful.