I may be putting words in her mouth, but I think what ita was arguing against is letting the thread go to where it wants to go, and then figuring out how it fits together after. In the meantime, before the figuring out, the slug and discription will not reflect reality, and will risk the situation Strega is worried about (and duly so, IMO).

That doesn't have to happen though, because SA and the others in favor of this expansion have listed the show titles they'd like included.

I'm really starting to think David's solution of easily created/easily destroyed TV threads as the only real solution, and then basically creating a thread for whatever show or small tight group of shows people want to create. We set a threshold of activity, and each thread sinks or swims on its own.

I think the bright lines argument is valid. In fact, I've talked with many people who would love to have more TV threads, so it's more obvious where to go to talk about a particular show (and I know several people who are really dissatisfied with Boxed Set, and do not think at all that it is obvious what shows should be discussed in there).

Even though I do think that The Shield and The Riches are of a kind with Deadwood, Dexter and Rome (to an extent) I think that adding FX shows to Premium would only muddy those waters, to the detriment of the thread (even though I would very much like to discuss those shows with SA, amych, and many others who post in Premium.

I also think that discussing TV shows in Natter beyond an extremely superficial level is incredibly dissatisfying, both for white font and signal to noise ratio reasons. I also think that this is an almost, but not quite, Universal sentiment on the board.

But I do see where there's valid concern about attracting too much attention and traffic.

After reading this discussion, those are the issues as I understand them.

Looking at those issues, the only two choices that make sense to me, and come even close to satisfying most people (we'll never satisfy everybody) are:

1. Something akin to David's idea, or

2. We decide that we are not TWOP, and we just don't discuss TV shows here any more.

Are there other options that even remotely satisfy both the bright lines need and the need to find a place what we want to discuss (that place not necessarily being here in b.org -- we really do not have to be all things to all people)?

SA and the others in favor of this expansion have listed the show titles they'd like included

Different lists, though. At least as far as I can tell. SA wants all FX hour long serial dramas. Amych seems to want to include by type instead, ignoring the originating channel.

serial:

do not think at all that it is obvious what shows should be discussed in there

What shows are fuzzy for them? I can imagine, say, Life On Mars, but past that I'm not sure.

What shows are fuzzy for them? I can imagine, say, Life On Mars, but past that I'm not sure.

(Disclosure: I am one of the people referenced in that sentence, but I'm not the only one)

What shows to be discussed in Boxed Set are fuzzy for me? All of them. Frankly I have no idea what shows are discussed in there.

It was originally a merge of Due South, Smallville and Farscape (as everyone here knows). Once it was created, for the moderate time I posted in that thread (before giving up because Farscape was pretty much never discussed there anymore), those were not even close to the only three shows talked about in that thread. My understanding is that this trend has only continued. Whatever shows arte mentioned in the header, I always get the impression (particularly in here, whenever it's brought up in new thread creation discussion) that many shows that are NOT listed in the header.

I mean, I'm not even close to the first person to bring this fact up, just within the last few days. Pretty much every time Boxed Set is brought into the discussion in B'Craxxy, it's as an example of the opposite of bright thread lines.

Also, I'm pretty sure Battlestar Galactica is supposed to be discussed in Boxed Set, but I hate Boxed Set and never want to go in there, because of the volume of other shows discussed that I have absolutely no interest in at all (Stargate and Stargate: Atlantis), and because of whitefont issues.

Which sucks for me, because I know there are many Buffistas who like and watch the show, and I want to talk about it with Buffistas, but that option is pretty much closed to me.

There are reams and reams of BSG discussion in Boxed Set. Far more than any posts discussing the Stargates, since they've been on hiatus.

Did I miss how we were going to enact this lower standard of proof for establishing/deleting threads? If it doesn't come along with some kind of procedure, I can't imagine us limiting discussion by consensus.

Boxed Set's slug:

Discussions of sci-fi/fantasy shows we watch. Smallville, Due South, Farscape, Stargate, BSG, etc. May contain HoYay.

Description:

A topic for the discussion of Farscape, Smallville, and Due South. Beware possible invasions of Stargate, Highlander, or pretty much any other "genre" show that captures our fancy. Expect Adult Content and discussion of the Big Gay Sex.

Is it the apparent conflict between SFF and genre? I think SFF is clear and covers every show discussed. I'm slow, and only just learning that genre, even when taken as a specific term, means things other than SFF to people. And to that end, I'm perfectly open to a description revamp. I just had no idea.

pretty sure Battlestar Galactica is supposed to be discussed in Boxed Set

Pretty sure? What, from the slug, makes you less than actually sure?

Not wanting to go in because of whitefont issues and shows you're not interested in isn't about bright lines, and would seem to be an argument for not expanding threads, if anything.

how we were going to enact this lower standard of proof for establishing/deleting threads

I don't think you missed anything. I'm wondering myself.