things that other people found transparent.
No one is saying the ballot was transparent -- just that it's important for all b.org to realise the opportunity for getting clarification exists both during and after the wording selection.
I got stabbed, you know, right here.
Mal ,'Shindig'
Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?
A thread to discuss naming threads, board policy, new thread suggestions, and anything else that has to do with board administration and maintenance. Guaranteed to include lively debate and polls. Natter discouraged, but not deleted.
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§ ita § - Sep 03, 2005 1:09:48 pm PDT #5581 of 10001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
DavidS - Sep 04, 2005 8:05:50 am PDT #5582 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
I think Consuela's right that if the ballot were constructed with just a simple clear option instead of a smorgasboard of choices it might've done better. It's kind of a strategic choice, but it seems to me like in the past people have used the Lightbulb portion to find out which is the most popular of a series of choices - where the consensus already had some traction - and crafted the ballot accordingly.
le nubian - Sep 04, 2005 9:14:35 am PDT #5583 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."
My immediate reaction is: This is really discouraging. It would have been nice to hear some of these suggestions ahead of time. Now there's nothing to do.
I should have gone with my instincts and not proposed this at all because it feels like a failure. I wish I had known there was such a lack of interest because I wouldn't have gone forward.
DavidS - Sep 04, 2005 9:59:59 am PDT #5584 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Awww, le nubian, I don't think it's a failure. Every time we have one of these votes it clarifies where people want to go with the board, and as I mentioned way upthread this is a subject which had been discussed a lot.
Even if the ballot had been whittled down to one choice (like General TV Thread with one week of white font) I'm not sure it would've passed. There's always been a strong sentiment to not have a general TV thread.
Consuela - Sep 04, 2005 11:14:10 am PDT #5585 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix
I'm sorry I said anything.
DCJensen - Sep 04, 2005 11:58:38 am PDT #5586 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.
It would have been nice to hear some of these suggestions ahead of time. Now there's nothing to do.
I'm curious as to how many people who voted participate in the discussion. If one does not participate in the discussion, there would be no way to know ahead of time what would confuse them about the ballot.
Now there's nothing to do.
Not true. This isn't the Bush Administration. If enough people feel the ballot was confusing there is no reason we can't re-do the ballot and revote. The rules against bring up a topic are to give a cooling off period. If the ballot wasn't clear enough, why not re-do it?
aurelia - Sep 04, 2005 12:24:13 pm PDT #5587 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.
If the ballot wasn't clear enough, why not re-do it?
Because the ballot told people where to address questions.
The process worked the way it was supposed to. AFAIK we've always made allowances for technical glitches. I just don't see justification for a do-over in this case.
We should try to learn from this and encourage future voting proposals to start on ballot wording sooner in the discussion process.
Stephanie - Sep 04, 2005 1:19:59 pm PDT #5588 of 10001
Trust my rage
I didn't find it confusing - I just didn't think we needed a new thread. More discussion would not have changed my vote.
Scrappy - Sep 04, 2005 1:23:38 pm PDT #5589 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.
FWIW, I didn't find it confusing either.
sj - Sep 04, 2005 1:29:51 pm PDT #5590 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."
I found it slightly confusing, but not enough that I feel my vote was miscast. I was mainly confused as why there wasn't a straight out "do you want this thread" question before the spoiler policy questions.