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Bureaucracy 3: Oh, so now you want to be part of the SOLUTION?  

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le nubian - Sep 04, 2005 9:14:35 am PDT #5583 of 10001
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

My immediate reaction is: This is really discouraging. It would have been nice to hear some of these suggestions ahead of time. Now there's nothing to do.

I should have gone with my instincts and not proposed this at all because it feels like a failure. I wish I had known there was such a lack of interest because I wouldn't have gone forward.


DavidS - Sep 04, 2005 9:59:59 am PDT #5584 of 10001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Awww, le nubian, I don't think it's a failure. Every time we have one of these votes it clarifies where people want to go with the board, and as I mentioned way upthread this is a subject which had been discussed a lot.

Even if the ballot had been whittled down to one choice (like General TV Thread with one week of white font) I'm not sure it would've passed. There's always been a strong sentiment to not have a general TV thread.


Consuela - Sep 04, 2005 11:14:10 am PDT #5585 of 10001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I'm sorry I said anything.


DCJensen - Sep 04, 2005 11:58:38 am PDT #5586 of 10001
All is well that ends in pizza.

It would have been nice to hear some of these suggestions ahead of time. Now there's nothing to do.

I'm curious as to how many people who voted participate in the discussion. If one does not participate in the discussion, there would be no way to know ahead of time what would confuse them about the ballot.

Now there's nothing to do.

Not true. This isn't the Bush Administration. If enough people feel the ballot was confusing there is no reason we can't re-do the ballot and revote. The rules against bring up a topic are to give a cooling off period. If the ballot wasn't clear enough, why not re-do it?


aurelia - Sep 04, 2005 12:24:13 pm PDT #5587 of 10001
All sorrows can be borne if you put them into a story. Tell me a story.

If the ballot wasn't clear enough, why not re-do it?

Because the ballot told people where to address questions.

The process worked the way it was supposed to. AFAIK we've always made allowances for technical glitches. I just don't see justification for a do-over in this case.

We should try to learn from this and encourage future voting proposals to start on ballot wording sooner in the discussion process.


Stephanie - Sep 04, 2005 1:19:59 pm PDT #5588 of 10001
Trust my rage

I didn't find it confusing - I just didn't think we needed a new thread. More discussion would not have changed my vote.


Scrappy - Sep 04, 2005 1:23:38 pm PDT #5589 of 10001
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

FWIW, I didn't find it confusing either.


sj - Sep 04, 2005 1:29:51 pm PDT #5590 of 10001
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I found it slightly confusing, but not enough that I feel my vote was miscast. I was mainly confused as why there wasn't a straight out "do you want this thread" question before the spoiler policy questions.


Lyra Jane - Sep 04, 2005 2:29:53 pm PDT #5591 of 10001
Up with the sun

I think the vote probably would have gone as it did however the ballot was worded.

That being said, I do think it's a problem that people come forward after the vote (and this isn't unique to this ballot) to raise concerns, after four days of a near-empty Lightbulbs thread. We seem to have created a situation where people are very reluctant to speak up during the balloting process, and that worries me.

Also, a point of order: The six-month period only applies to the Fall TV/General TV proposals, yes? Not to, e.g., a Bones thread or a Ghost Whisperer thread?


JenP - Sep 04, 2005 3:02:47 pm PDT #5592 of 10001

Just personally, it wasn't reluctance on my part, it was that I wasn't heavily invested in this particular issue. I think I posted my one point of confusion in the beginning, and by the time we got to spoilers and how to word the ballot, I ran out of steam for discussion. That kind of thing, to me - the nitty-gritty of wording a ballot - I've got to be really interested in the issue to want to go there. (ETA: Also, I figure I'll be able to figure it out once it's done, and so far, I've been able to.)

I wish I had known there was such a lack of interest because I wouldn't have gone forward.

LeN - I'm sorry you're discouraged. I think, though, that best way we have to gauge interest in something is to go ahead and make the proposal and, if it's sufficiently seconded, have the discussion and vote.* I mean, if you'd asked me how the vote was going to go, I'd have predicted it would pass. So I'm glad you proposed it, becuse the question is settled for the time being, at least. I'm not sure there was a way for you to know ahead of time the relative interest or lack of interest.

*Not that I think every issue needs a vote (or proposal and discussion, for that matter), because, boy howdy, I do not.