You're not friends. You'll never be friends. You'll be in love till it kills you both.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Buffista Music II: Wrath of Chaka Khan  

There's a lady plays her fav'rite records/On the jukebox ev'ry day/All day long she plays the same old songs/And she believes the things that they say/She sings along with all the saddest songs/And she believes the stories are real/She lets the music dictate the way that she feels.


Atropa - Nov 11, 2004 1:42:03 pm PST #5892 of 10003
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Excellent. I knew I could count on you. Which of the following would you instinctively place in the top ten?

Wednesday Addams, Louise Brooks, and the 18th Century (as in, random noblewoman of the 18th Century) would all be in the top 10. Mary Poppins would be in my personal top ten, but I can't see her being in an overall gothy top ten list. Bettie Page would be higher on a gothy icon list than any random model from Skin or Gauntlet.

Victorian goth icon of choice? Er ... probably Lucy from Dracula. I have no idea who would be up in the Pagan/Industrial/Pierced categories.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2004 1:46:02 pm PST #5893 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Victorian goth icon of choice? Er ... probably Lucy from Dracula.

As played by Jude Law's ex-wife?

I have no idea who would be up in the Pagan/Industrial/Pierced categories.

Yeah, I couldn't think of an example even though I've seen this look. Hmmm. The woman in Genitorturers?


Atropa - Nov 11, 2004 1:50:19 pm PST #5894 of 10003
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

As played by Jude Law's ex-wife?

Kinda-sorta. Hmm. No, then probably Lucy, as played by Winona.

I think the actual Victorian icon for gothy women is a melding of every Victorian fashion plate we've ever seen, plus all the pretty dresses in costume dramas.

Oh! Lily from Legend, after she turns to the dark side. Fabulous dress, black lipstick, and swoopy dancing.

Yeah, I couldn't think of an example even though I've seen this look. Hmmm. The woman in Genitorturers?

I suppose. Or any female extra from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome.

La la la, I'm seeing Voltaire tonight! And I'll have a good view no matter what, because I get to stay up in the DJ booth at the club.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2004 1:57:06 pm PST #5895 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Lily (scroll down)

Actually, if you go back and click on the Sadie Frost link above, I changed it to one with all of her looks in that movie.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2004 2:01:14 pm PST #5896 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Art Girl Troika! PJ Harvey & Bjork & Tori Amos


Atropa - Nov 11, 2004 2:17:41 pm PST #5897 of 10003
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Art Girl Troika! PJ Harvey & Bjork & Tori Amos

That's from one of the UK music magazines, right? Pete has a copy of it back at his parents' house.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2004 2:50:17 pm PST #5898 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

So watching VH-1 Classic's The Alternative is exposing me to a bunch of 90s British bands that I more or less ignored in the 90s. These are mostly groups associated with the shoegazer scene.

Who's got an opinion on the following records?

Spooky - Lush

Isn't Anything - MBV

Blurred Crusade - The Church

Nowhere - Ride

Ferment - Catherine Wheel

Wake Up - Boo Radleys


Jen - Nov 11, 2004 3:07:10 pm PST #5899 of 10003
love's a dream you enter though I shake and shake and shake you

Ferment - Catherine Wheel

I own it and I love it. The songs are incredibly textured. Chrome is another album of theirs that's great--there's a song called "The Nude" which is all about the singer going to a museum and falling in love with a woman in a painting.

If you're going to get a Church album, go with Starfish.


DavidS - Nov 11, 2004 3:09:33 pm PST #5900 of 10003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

If you're going to get a Church album, go with Starfish.

Tempted, because the video for "Reptile" had all kinds of cool dual guitar interplay. The Catherine Wheel video for "Black Metallic" really caught my eye and ear. I think I'd (unfairly) dismissed them as MBV wannnabees, but there was obviously something going on that was smart and interesting in that song.


Jon B. - Nov 11, 2004 3:20:37 pm PST #5901 of 10003
A turkey in every toilet -- only in America!

Isn't Anything - MBV

Is that the one with "Cupid Come"?

t checks collection

Yep, it is. Seminal.

Nowhere - Ride

From Allmusic:

Nowhere seems to hold consensus as the second-best record of the shoegaze era, and with very good reason. All of the common words, phrases, and adjectives commonly used with the short-lived subgenre fit properly here, and they're all positive, every one of them. Whir, whoosh, haze, swirl, ad nauseum -- this record holds all of these elements at their most exciting and mastered.

I wouldn't be quite so effusive, but it is very good. Equally worthwhile by Ride is the "Smile" album which collects their first two EPs. "Chelsea Girl" (not that one) is a great song and worthy of the title.