Okay, good. Becasue between my love for the movies, which keeps growing, too much chocolate and my new nails, which I'm not used to, I'm not sure about anything I type.
Zoe: Captain will come up with a plan. Kaylee: That's good. Right? Zoe: Possibly you're not recalling some of his previous plans.
'Safe'
LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".
Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".
A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.
Aims - Dec 23, 2003 2:16:38 pm PST #820 of 3902
Shit's all sorts of different now.
Volans - Dec 23, 2003 2:47:06 pm PST #821 of 3902
move out and draw fire
Given that I was upset because movie!Faramir does not have black hair like book!Faramir, let alone the fact that he's a completely different person, I think I've come a long way in accepting that there's this character who is Boromir's brother and has some family issues. Kate and Sean and others who like movie!Faramir make some good points, but I'm not sure what he added to the movies, other than extending Frodo and Sam's trek. And of course nookie for Eowyn, subtly suggested.
I would also argue that Gandalf and Galadriel are seriously tempted by the ring. They both say they've been tempted, but it's so tempered with wisdom as to not represent a threat. Neither tries to take it. Aragorn is not tempted one whit, and neither are any of the rest of the Fellowship. So why is Faramir not good enough? It's insulting that Denethor believes Faramir is weak and useless; how much more insulting that the screenwriters clearly believe it also?
Kate P. - Dec 23, 2003 2:54:55 pm PST #822 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love
Raquel, I agree with you; I'm one of those who find book!Faramir more appealing than movie!Faramir, though I did like him lots more in ROTK. But I seriously almost screamed in the theater when he decided to take the Ring to Gondor. And you're right about him not being the only one not tempted by the Ring. Gandalf and Galadriel are both tempted in part because they are so powerful (and they are both wise enough to know that they could not use the Ring for anything but an evil purpose), but I think one reason Faramir is able to resist is because he has no real tangible power, what with Boromir being the favored son.
MechaKrelboyne - Dec 23, 2003 3:34:50 pm PST #823 of 3902
... and that's a Pantera's box you don't want to open. - Mister Furious
This is what I mean about the Middle Earth's never ending war between Legolas and Physics. It pretty much blows the threat curve of all the baddies. Enh, just throw SuperElf at 'em and let's all get drunk. It's annoying. Oddly enough, I think the most annoying was the Last Toboggan Ride of the Elf. Much moreso than the Oliphaunt . I really prefer FoTR Legolas. I mean all else aside, the stuff gets so over the top that I can't enjoy it anyway. Of course that's a broad generalisation, but everybody makes broad generalisations. At least I do.
On the other hand, I much prefer movie Faramir. In the book he pretty much stole all the heat from the ring. It's established that the ring wants to be taken by Man, because they're more easily corrupted. Aragorn managed to resist it enough to let Frodo leave, thus removing temptation before it can set in on them. Faramir does pretty much the same thing, with a bit more tension. Tension is good.
Finally, the Son of Gloin. Definitely, if we combined TTT neck hewing with RoTK dialogue, we'd have the best of all possible Gimli's.
§ ita § - Dec 23, 2003 3:58:28 pm PST #824 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
if we combined TTT neck hewing with RoTK dialogue, we'd have the best of all possible Gimli's.
Yes. And if we combine the FotR fighting with the RotK Gondor sickroom appearance, we get the best of all possible Legolases.
Katie M - Dec 23, 2003 4:00:15 pm PST #825 of 3902
I was charmed (albeit somewhat perplexed) by the fannish sensibility of many of the music choices -- it's like the director was trying to vid Canada. --loligo on the Olympic Opening Ceremonies
You know, I don't recall ever feeling that Aragorn was tempted by the Ring in the books either.
Jessica - Dec 23, 2003 4:04:52 pm PST #826 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
I vaguely remember him making one or two Gandalf-esque "You'd *really* better not offer me that thing" statements to Frodo, but it's possible I'm misremembering.
Elena - Dec 23, 2003 4:05:13 pm PST #827 of 3902
Thanks for all the fish.
I recall that Aragorn was afraid that it would have power over him. More of a preventative temptation avoidance thing.
amyparker - Dec 23, 2003 4:08:15 pm PST #828 of 3902
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.
I remember a line to the effect of "If I wanted the Ring, I would have it," but I'm too lazy to walk across the room to look it up.
Jessica - Dec 23, 2003 4:11:05 pm PST #829 of 3902
If I want to become a cloud of bats, does each bat need a separate vaccination?
If I wanted the Ring, I would have it
That's definitely Gandalf's line. (In the movies, it's "I'm not trying to ROB YOU! I'm trying to help you." I liked the book version better.)
[eta: No, I take that back, I think -- Gandalf says it to Bilbo at Bag End, but then Aragorn says almost the same thing to Frodo in Bree. Lemme look it up.]