Giles: I jump out of the circle, jump back in, and, and, shake my gourd. Buffy: Hey, I think I know this ritual. The ancient shamans were next called upon to do the Hokey-Pokey and to turn themselves around.

'Dirty Girls'


LotR - The Return of the King: "We named the *dog* 'Strider'".  

Frodo: Please, what does it always mean, this... this "Aragorn"? Elrond: That's his name. Aragorn, son of Arathorn. Aragorn: I like "Strider." Elrond: We named the *dog* "Strider".

A discussion of Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King. If you're a pervy hobbit fancier, this is the place for you.


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 9:31:25 am PST #59 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

me too, all of ita's post.

For FotR, it amused me that the eldest of the four hobbit actors played the youngest and buffooniest. But Boyd's subtlety in TTT began to impress me, and he just absolutely blew me away in RotK. I said earlier, and I stick to it, that every minute he's onscreen he pulls my eye.

And his singing voice. Gah. Stupid tears.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2003 9:34:05 am PST #60 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I knew I liked the hobbits, and I knew I'd like them more after RotK, but I had no idea what PJ and Billy had in store for me.


Kate P. - Dec 17, 2003 9:37:46 am PST #61 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Yeah, pretty much everything ita said. My crypoints were skewed slightly more towards Sam, but otherwise, yes, yes, and yes. Pippin got me a bunch of times. Whenever a hobbit got teary, I was weeping. I'm not kidding when I say I cried through the last solid half hour of the film. My friend told me afterwards that I was getting looks.

I noted yesterday that the first time we hear the Gondor theme is during the council of Elrond, when Boromir is speaking. How cool is that? It's been there all along, and this was the first time I've known the significance of it.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2003 9:53:04 am PST #62 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I still don't recognise the Gondor theme. I meant to pay attention, but I got lost in the movie.

It was such a relief when they'd cut to something like Sam/Frodo, which, although sad, didn't hit me where I live. Arwen was good for that too. And since we'd spent the extendeds mocking Aragorn for being a poncy elf-wannabee, any of his sadnesses didn't tug me too hard.


Kate P. - Dec 17, 2003 10:03:37 am PST #63 of 3902
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

I love the Gondor theme. Not quite as much as the Rohan theme, but probably about as much as the Fellowship theme. And "Into the West" is just perfect. "Safe in my arms, you're only sleeping..." *sob*

I liked Arwen showing up at the end, which was good, because I wanted to want her to be there, you know? It did bug me a bit that she looked so young. I always liked the idea that she is so much older than Aragorn, and yet can't help falling in love with him when she sees the man he has become. I liked her turning back because of her son. However, the whole "Arwen's fate is now tied to the fate of the Ring"--what? Excuse me? Makes no sense at all, and I didn't think it added anything to the story. Was it supposed to give Aragorn some added incentive to win the war? Because, hello, weight of the world already upon his shoulders. I did like that Elrond was crying, though. I thought Hugo Weaving was excellent in ROTK, after finding him too campy and creepy in TTT.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2003 10:07:08 am PST #64 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Elrond was totally cute.

Which I didn't expect.


Beverly - Dec 17, 2003 10:11:05 am PST #65 of 3902
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

Aside from these actors, who are Just the Best Ever?

I think I'm in love with Fran Walsh and Philipa Boyens, for the words. The ones they lifted from Tolkein they chose well, and the ones they paraphrased? Also good.


tina f. - Dec 17, 2003 10:20:38 am PST #66 of 3902

Just the Best Ever besides the actors?

Richard Taylor. He is the bomb dot com.

It was all too much to take in - with the crying and the having chills that lasted like 5 minutes straight (Hugest chill moments: first time we get a full bottom to top view of Minas Tirith and the when we see the first full assemblage of the Riders and all those freaking horses). I couldn't focus like I wanted to on the swords, the saddles, the clothes, and the various WETA-ness of it all.


Maytree - Dec 17, 2003 10:23:59 am PST #67 of 3902
I try to love my neighbor as myself. Unfortunately, I have a lot of self-loathing.

Overall I loved it, including the writing, but there were two places where I wished they had gone with Tolkien rather than colloquializing the speech:

First, the exchange between Eowyn and the WitchKing: I've always loved, "Fool! No living man may slay the Nazgul!" "No living man am I! There stands before you a woman!" -- the colloquial "I am no man!" just didn't cut it for me.

Second, Frodo at the Cracks: Another well-beloved line is the "I have come. But I do not choose now to do what I came to do." I loved the matter-of-factness of it. "Yep, struggled all that way, got here...changed my mind. Sorry, Sammy!" -- this all got shortened to "The Ring is Mine!" and Elijah looking all evil and possessed (which he did really well, don't get me wrong, but I wanted the Tolkien "changed my mind" line in there.)

Right now I'm trying to decide if I should keep packing or go see the movie...my precioussss....again. Must. Keep. Filling. Boxes....

Edited because it's been so long since I've posted I've forgotten how the ding-dang spoiler tags work.


§ ita § - Dec 17, 2003 10:28:03 am PST #68 of 3902
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Minas Tirith looked just right. Tolkien didn't give me many clear pictures, but Minas Tirith has been in my head for a few years, and PJ's people did a good copy of it.